Capital letters

Mmm... I think that lower case is correct. Capital letters are used for proper names so it should be 'Mr. Smith's Geography Lesson' if it referred to the one specific lesson that Mr Smith gave in that subject but if the term 'geography lesson' is generic then it should be lower case so one in a series of geography lessons given by Mr Smith would be 'Mr Smith's geography lesson'.

Let's see what others think.

I know I'm nowhere near as experienced as you guys, but I thin you would put it with a capital because the way you say it makes it sound like a noun, for example,; I'm going to Geography, etc.

Yaz

Ah, that's different - now you are using Geography as a proper term. What we were looking at was the use of capitals in the words 'geography lesson'. I think that is a general term and therefore isn't capitalised - but I stand to be corrected!

I think I’d be inclined to put:

In science, someone made a stench.
How are you with English and French?
Where the heck is geography?
Anyway, back to history…

If you were referring to a class, such as Geography 101 (even if the 101 is omitted), then cap it. In the general sense, I wouldn't.

Thanks,

Looks like it isn't just me getting stuck in English.
Some good ideas and points.I'll continue to struggle.

As the old reports used to say, 'could do better'.

Capital letters for proper nouns. That is, a name for a particular person, place, institution, organisation, book or film title, etc. Also, the UK convention is to use capitals for months and days of the week but not seasons. Languages and nationalities take a capital too. A problem though is it's sometimes difficult to decide when a noun is being used as a proper noun.

In the example you give, it would certainly be 'a geography lesson' or even 'Mr Brown's geography lesson'. However, if it was the title of a book or a film it would be 'The Geography Lesson'.

Job titles and things like that are also difficult. For instance, 'The President is the head of the US Government'. But, 'There have been 44 presidents of the USA'. Basically, a generic occupation doesn't need a capital but it does have one when it's a title. A good example might be, 'The doctor that saw us was Doctor Harris'.

However, there are also times when a proper noun has, over time, lost its connection with a place or person and hence loses its catitalisation. For instance, the 'Champagne is a region of France' but 'I was drinking champagne'. Likewise french windows, yorkshire pudding, wellington boots, etc. A problem arises when a phrase has not yet lost its association although it might be in the process of doing so. We'd probably still say English breakfast and Oxford marmalade although if you dropped the capital probably only a total pedant would object.

It's a bit of a minefield I'm afraid, not helped by the recent trend for companies, organisations, etc to use lower case in their logo or name. Also, organisations often have 'house styles' that govern whether a capital is used or not in documentation. I do some editing for an educational organisation (lower case here 'cos I'm not being specific) and their 'House Style Guide' (capitals here 'cos it's a title) runs to 94 pages!

But absolutely the most important thing - be consistent!

Helvigo Jenkins

Wow Helvigo

That's a really great summary and sorts out a lot of issues for me. It also reminds me that it's a pretty complicated subject.

Thanks for your help, that's one e-mail I think I'll keep a copy of.

Take care and happy editing

Rob

I'm glad it was useful to you.
I forgot to say that a good dictionary is also a great help as they tend to show in the entry when a word is capitalised. I have several but the one I use most is 'The Compact Oxford English Dictionary'. It's not too bulky and another good thing about it is that it has brief but clear notes on usage scattered amongst the definitions.
Anyway, good luck on your writing.

Helvigo Jenkins

Thanks,

I am always aware that the usefulness of dictionaries is way beyond the use I put them to.

Thanks for the tip.

Happy writing

Rob

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How about Henry the eighth - should that be Henry the Eighth? Or would that apply only if he belonged to a tribe called the Eighths?

Good question. Assuming it's not just rhetorical, Henry the Eighth.
This is because it is a title (given to differentiate one Henry from another). Likewise, Edward the Confessor, Edward the Black Prince, etc.

In most cases however, it would be written 'Henry VIII' which neatly avoids the problem.

Helvigo Jenkins

No, genuine query and thanks for the answer. I googled it (Googled it?) and there were all possible variations, even a lower-case aitch for henry, so no help there as to which is correct.

The internet is not terribly helpful on this issue as it's in the arena of computing especially that capitalisation of proper nouns has come under recent assault. Email addressing and other computing protocols will continue to erode it, I guess.

It could even be that capitalisation will disappear at some point in the future given that companies and other organisations are dropping it from their names as well.

It's a relevant issue on this site too, I think. Increasingly, poems are posted without punctuation and the ancient convention of using a capital at the beginning of a line is disappearing, especially in modern poetry.

I assume that ee cummings was trying to make some kind of point but I never 'got it' myself. The rules of grammar developed to aid clear understanding and I find the modern tendency to disdain such conventions merely confusing.

Oh well! Perhaps I'm just a dinosaur.

Helvigo Jenkins

I like dinosaurs!

I just read a book for which the title was a mish mash of capitals and lower case. I guess it was the font but it looked weird.

Here's another. If you're talking about the descent of man, as a principle rather than a book title, should it be the descent of Man? It seems wrong since we don't capitalise, say, giraffe, but on the other hand we do have a particular liking for our own species...

Interesting point. I think that 'Man' as a concept has attracted the capital, partly because, as you say, we're egocentric, but also because it differentiates the concept from the simple noun, 'man'.

However, if we were to use the definition of the concept (humankind or mankind, say), then 'the descent of mankind' would be the probable usage.

Perhaps another reason for the usage 'the descent of Man' is because it is, in intent, a kind of metaphor. Similarly, we might write 'the law of the Jungle' or the 'kingdom of the Sea'.

Helvigo Jenkins