Gerard Manley Hopkins
Posted by Di_Hard on Sun, 11 Oct 2020
I found this very interesting, it is from the letters of Gerard Manley Hopkins to Robert Bridges. There are 2 things I did not know. First that GMH could be so satirical/funny. Second that he felt himself a communist (communism different before Stalin and Mao?) and thought about politics so much. Similarities of his descriptions of pressures building before the first war, and pressures now?
Stonyhurst College, Whalley, Lancashire. April 2, 1871. XXVI "My dear Bridges, — Our holidays have begun, so I will write again. I feel inclined to begin by asking whether you are secretary to the International as you seem to mean me to think nothing too bad for you but then I remember that you never relished ‘the intelligent artisan’. I must tell you I am always thinking of the Communist future. The too intelligent artisan is master of the situation I believe. Perhaps it is what everyone believes, I do not see the papers or hear strangers often enough to know. It is what Carlyle has long threatened and foretold. But his writings are, as he might himself say, ‘most inefficacious- strenuous heaven-protestations, caterwaul, and Gassandra-wail- ings’. He preaches obedience but I do not think he has done much except to ridicule instead of strengthening the -hands of the powers that be. Some years ago when he published his Shooting Niagara^ he did make some practical suggestions but so vague that they should rather be called ‘too dubious moonstone-grindings and on the whole impracticable-practical unveracities’. I However I am aftaid some great revolution is not far off. Horrible to say, in a manner I am a Communist. Their ideal bating some things is nobler than that professed by any secular statesman I know of (I must own I live in bat-light and shoot at a venture). Besides it is just. — I do not rnean the means of getting to it are. But it is a dreadful thing for the greatest and most necessary part of a very rich nation to live a hard life without dignity, knowledge, comforts, delight, or hopes in the midst of plenty— which plenty they make.! They profess that they do not care what they wreck and burn, the old civilisation and order must be destroyed. This is a dreadful look out but what has the old civilisation done for them? As it at present stands in England it is itself in great measure founded on wrecking. But they got none of the spoils, they came in for nothing but harm from it then and thereafter. p.nglanH has grown hugely wealthy but this wealth has not reached the working classes; I expect it has made their condi- tion worse. Besides this iniquitous order the old civilisation another order mostly old and what is new in direct entail from the old, the old religion, learning, law, art, etc and all the history that is preserved in standing monuments. But as the working classes have not been educated they know next to nothing of all this and cannot be expected to care if they destroy it. The more I look the more black and deservedly black the future looks, so I will write no more."
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https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.182404/2015.182404.The-Lett...
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communism before Stalin (and
communism before Stalin (and the Russian revoluton) and Mao was an idea. A utopian idea, a religous idea. One which even the upper and middle-classes believed in as a better alternative to a system that wrecked most people's lives and you're average worker that lived beyond 40 was an old man. Women aged faster. Russia and China, to a lesser degree, offered empirical evidence of translatiing Marx's text to reality. I'm still in favour of Laour's Article 4, which they ditched. Orwell, for one, saw how Stalinism was not a dictatorship of the proletariat, but a dictarroship full stop. One-hundred millon dead and China with it's famines fared almost as bad. Ironically, the new China is at the point in history where America was at the start of the First World War. If and when we have another war, it's curtains for us all. Gerald Manley Hopkins had no empirical data. We do now. I wonder what they'd have made of Trump? The moron's moron?
Thankyou so much for your
Thankyou so much for your insight and knowledge CM. was hoping you might comment.
They might find him fascinating and scary like watching maggots, perfect at what he does
It's really interesting to
It's really interesting to reflect that, as celtic says, at one time communism was an ideal rather than an ideology and a great many people saw it as a reasonable way to save civilisation rather than as an existential threat to 'our way of life'. As I read this I was thinking of Pence recently invoking the 'threat of socialism' as a sure fire way to scare people away from voting for Biden.
As you say, interesting to see GMH's sense of humour. Doesn't always come over in his work!
Yes. I thought that, too. Don
Yes. I thought that, too. Don't vote for all that commie health care and wealth distribution and protecting your water etc. Be free to sink on your own or look like are swimming by supporting yourself on the exploitation of others. Perhaps that is one reason they are afraid of immigration from the south, as brings positive experience of socialism?
But look at us, voting for Brexit and the Bodge
Have read suggestion GMH became a priest because gay. That would no longer be something to subdue. Perhaps he would have been brilliantly successful political satirist. Has made me want to look up Carlisle just to see how bad the original is :0)
Obama care is socialish.
Obama care is socialish. better if poor people died. Everything thet is not free market is socialism. Mask or no mask in covid-19 US? Individualism dictates you don't need to give a fuck about your neighbour. Your life. Do what you will (shall be the whole of the law). Crowley. Really, they'yre devil worshippers.
Either he wins because the
Either he wins because the other side's cheating is unsuccessful, or their cheating is successful so his victory is stolen, so he should have won really. How then can his supporters accept a democratic win? Everything is about emotion, the gold paint of his rhetoric over shambolic fact.
Is all a game to him, he is addicted