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I agree Tony. If the Tories got their act together they ought to win the next election. But most of their active members are vile old fascists and select candidates after their own heart who everybody else in the country loathes. I'd love the Lib Dems to sweep through all those southern Tory strongholds and become an effective opposition in their place. [%sig%]

5th November for obvious reasons. Ralph

Quicker that that I reckon; Monday, 27th. The question is, who takes over? They need someone instantly recognisable, good at handling the media, and strong nationalist leanings - but I don't think Gerry Adams would take the job. [%sig%]

i think halloween ... its the new year you know ... new beginnings ... the thinning of the membrane etc blah ...

monday 3rd, the day I start my new job and no i`m not taking the helm of an already sunken ship

i reckon this one will run for a while yet....november 30th... it's astonishing, yet strangely pleasing how the tories have become so expert at ******* things up......

So what is the result then? Is it deemed that he has actually gone yet or not? Is he still leader? If so, at what point will the competition rules dictate 'the end' has arrived? Who is the winner? Come on Lofty, I demand answers.

10th November. The day after they announce that IDS will lead them to victory in the next election

Neil, Charlie 'mine's a double' Kennedy ain't guv'nor material. Barfly material yes.

I take it you mean the day a 'no confidence' thingy is issued? December 4th

November 3rd

Is he STILL here? I give him 'til Nov 10th, for no other reason than the rest of the scaly tossers are scared to stand up and be counted, at least until a senior member does. I think he will fall on his sword after a heavy push from a smiling friend. (Whilst another friend holds the sword to make sure he doesn't change his mind or miss.) Come to think of it they have all the qualifications necessary for full-time trolls on ABC. (Sadbelle, the 9th is a Sunday, they won't announce anything on a golfing day.)

I say not this year - now that Clarke has emerged as a possible candidate, most of the rabid right-wing tories who might have screwed their courage to the sticking place to sign the petition will now be thinking, "Well IDS is barmy and unelectable, but he doesn't seem all that pro-Europe". The only thing that is saving him is, well who else is there? IDS has got absolutely nothing to lose by hanging on for grim death - he isn't going to get a place on the shadow cabinet and this is his only chance of having a tilt at an election - he may well go, but why make it easy for them? He wants those who want him out to put their names to a petition so that they can be deselected by their local party members for disloyalty. He is dismal, charisma-free and unelectable, but he was all those things when they picked him to be leader - I don't see he's got frightfully worse over time.

I saw a picture of him grinning the other day.. and the spooky thing was he looked EXACTLY like Blair with his head shaved. I reckon you could put a curly wig on him and he could sneak into number 10.. it'd be weeks possibly months before anyone noticed a difference.

30 October 17:57.

I wondered how long it would take someone to notice that one!!

I just hope he stays. Labour may be pretty darn poo but those right wing Tories give me the creeps. Just think what they and George W would get up to. It doesn't bear thinking about. Worry if Clarke gets the job - he's good and he'll give Blair a serious run for his money. But he would make all the Euro-haters leave the Tories so they probably wouldn't have any members left. Spot of the old dilemma I fear. It breaks my heart. Not.