Sex

Do youn fancy joining Opus Dei, Jude? Apparently, if you progress to their higher status or whatever, you get a free whip and a sort of spiky garter which suppresses lustful thoughts (especially of anyone who tries to grope you?). Oh, and you're supposed to have regular cold baths, all according to the BBC web site. At least one of Blair's Babes seems to think they're the bees' knees in Catholic spirituality, and who am I to disagree?

I have a good friend who is a numenary of Opus Dei. All the media hype about self-mortification and that O.D. have infiltrated the government is blown out of proportion. You can not ask to join Opus Dei...they recruit bright young things usually from Universities. I was once asked along which would have culminatd in them trying t get me but it's not for me!

Normal service....

I'm opposed to celibacy.

why? oh and happy monday...welcome to the new week!!! Good to see ya!

Wish I'd thought of it 5 months ago.

Happy Monday to you too young lady. Why? Because, it's not in my nature.

well why not for me if it might be in mine maybe? Rachel my sympathy is about 2% empathy ...none!!! Advive? Get an enema.

You have to consider your heart Jude. If you see no point in sex, you'd be better off to consider other options. Keep in mind, you're talking to a skeptic (atheist), so there are no religious arguments about it to me. That doesn't take away the moral aspects of personal responsibility and such, just that I won't engage in debating the merits of religious viewpoint on the subject. I assume you're having serious concerns about this issue in lieu of your intended future path?

Yes it is a concern, because sex is a biological imperitive, as is eating. In fact all the other biological imperatives are (blindly to you as a sceptic) there in order to fulfil the propagation of our genes. Vowed religious eat...otherwise we'd die! What happens when we don't genitally express sexuality? I don't know and nobody seems to have answers.

I think it ultimately boils down to what you need as a person and how you obtain it. I've known many a person that used sex to fill a hole in their soul, and of course it didn't. There's an element of shame and guilt attached to sexual activity, which is a load of crap. I feel no guiltier about having sex than I would about eating (as you described). The problem is in not taking responsibility for ones actions, indiscriminant breeding and spreading of disease. That's an unfortunate side effect that can't be controlled, only managed. The simple fact to me is that sex is an act of intimacy and something I require in an intimate relationship. For ones own personal needs, each should consider something....Is one applying a permanent solution to a temporary problem?

Well the terrorist always thought sex was the number after five.

Who gives a f...? I mean who WANTS a f... ANYBODY offering one? Sorry Jude, but I don't think about the whys and wherefores, I just NEED a shag, mate.

Well, you cant completely suppress the Biochemical mechanism that regulates sex drive, mealy reduce its regularity over time. Clearly nature/God, did not intend for this most powerful biological - 'Non Voluntary', drive to be suppressed indefinitely, without some form of physical/psychosexual consequences. Well, at least not after Adam and Ev at any rate.. Whats interesting is that the Human mind is able to over ride this most powerfully chemical mechanism. I wonder if 'all' people possess that mental facility? What about other animals? Is celibacy limited to the human? *Sorry, got a bit side tracked there Jude* Perhaps one must possess a higher purpose that is more potent/ conducive, than the chemical mechanism to reproduces?

Tittys out! Ely's theory. Amazing what good editing can do.

that does help, I have to say

I ejaculate daily. It's pleasurable and it prevents prostrate cancer. The libido is our strongest natural drive and it is unnatural and unhealthy not to satisfy it. Anybody who says otherwise is a bunghole. Tensin Palmo claims that she became enlightened through abstinence, but I bet even she had a little flick there up in the caves.

I think Hindus have practical advice on how to channel energy for higher causes rather than supress... Catholics are just advised to have a cold shower and go for a run. j oh and George...no thanks mate!!!

Denver...yes I intend to and am prepared to spend the rest of my life as a celibate. As well as sexual abstinence, it means I will never have children, something fundamentally important to many. I will be with other people who will have been through the same and they will no doubt be a great source of help and support. jude

You spend so much time wanking I can't believe you either found the time or was prepared to lower your standards to father a child. You are truly a wan.ker.

Good luck young lady...I hope it doesn't make you mad.

Thanks...I hope it doesn't make me mad either!

BLAH

I WASN'T asking, sweetheart. I don't 'do' kids anyway. Well you are to me :-).

well if you're not going to be using your body for anything sexual maybe you can lend it out, you know, just to close friends and the like, I mean we'll look after it, of course, return it with a full tank and any damage will be paid for. just seems such a waste. I think that's why nun's are seen as so sexy by all those lonely guys out there who couldn't gat a shag in a brothel with a winning lottery ticket stuffed in one ear. They must be thinking "I've never even seen a naked woman's body that didn't have seams and an aversion to sharp objects and yet there are hundreds of them out there going to waste under habits" It does seem a little cruel to have something that you never intend to use, if I gave up meat I wouldn't have a fridge full of juicy steaks.

Good lad...keep it safe, keep it legal!

since i have been wearing make up i sometimes get the distinct feeling that some people, probably mostly male are wanting some sort of sexual favour from me although i aint like that * if they try its worth rembering that ima black belt in 'oi kan do' *blushes*. I was also brought up a catholic Jude i dont know if that influences my life as much nowadays 'or where it ever did for that matter', im sure me mother would agree that it certainly didnt influence me but then again . I think the way i am just now would probably be frowned on in certain quarters but there ya go yae canny win all the time kan yae ?? but see seriesly you can really appreciate the feminine side of life and see how the female gender gets pissed of with males whistling at them *g* The indians wore make up amongst many others, there is something quite spiritually satisfying about putting make up on, maybe spiritual isnt the right word, but maybe it is, maybe its the spirit of feminism that its ultimately symbolising and what is being shared worldly in the act of putting on the make up. symbolism is a strong sense. Its clean and fresh, refreshing. Maybe good for sex, i dont know about that bit !

since i have been wearing make up i sometimes get the distinct feeling that some people, probably mostly male are wanting some sort of sexual favour from me although i aint like that * if they try its worth rembering that ima black belt in 'oi kan do' *blushes*. I was also brought up a catholic Jude i dont know if that influences my life as much nowadays 'or where it ever did for that matter', im sure me mother would agree that it certainly didnt influence me but then again . I think the way i am just now would probably be frowned on in certain quarters but there ya go yae canny win all the time kan yae ?? but see seriesly you can really appreciate the feminine side of life and see how the female gender gets pissed of with males whistling at them *g* The indians wore make up amongst many others, there is something quite spiritually satisfying about putting make up on, maybe spiritual isnt the right word, but maybe it is, maybe its the spirit of feminism that its ultimately symbolising and what is being shared worldly in the act of putting on the make up. symbolism is a strong sense. Its clean and fresh, refreshing. Maybe good for sex, i dont know about that bit ! [%sig%]

neat.

hey!!!my grand father has a prostate cancer ,he even didnt make the rest out in bath!!!!what a nasty and scary thing to have this kind of desease!!!

I think the catholic line is that if celibacy was good for Jesus (and Paul) it's good enough for us. However, Old Testament priests weren't celibate, neither was Peter or Mary (Jesus was part of a very large family). Which isn't to say that it's not a perfectly acceptable calling if you're convinced it's right for you, Jude, just that I don't like the catholic implication that it's the most "spiritual" way to live. Mind you, my lot are just as bad, insisting on sexual abstinence before and outside of marriage. Good idea if you reach puberty at 18 and are immediately married off to your first cousin and have to reproduce like crazy till you drop dead at around 40 - but what if you reach puberty at 12, have sexy material thrown in your face every day and, like a lot of people nowadays, aren't financially secure enough to marry until you're 35? Twenty-odd years of abstinence when you're at your sexual peak?? Huge deafening wall of christian silence on this one, because no christian "guru" wants to be the first to advocate masturbation of any kind.

Absolutely Jude, Excellent analogy of the differences between Eand W's tern thinking/ Ideology/Doctrinal. "If thats a word"? You should read "The Dancing Wu LI Masters" 'Gary Zukav', and the most fascinating comparison of modern psychology/ mysticism of modern Physics. It has much wisdom on the subject of channeling energy Jude, you will love it. It Defines 'Wu Li' - (Patterns of organic energy) As: Wu Li means Patterns of Organic Energy and is the Chinese way of saying Physics. Wu means "matter" or "energy". The next Wu Li means "My Way". Wu means "mine" or "Self". The third Wu Li means " Nonsense". Wu means "void" or "non - being". The fourth Wu Li means " I Clutch My Ideas". Wu means "to make a fist" or "clutch with a closed hand". The fifth Wu Li means " Enlightenment". Wu Means "enlightenment" or "my heart/my mind". So: Wu Li = Patterns of Organic Energy = Jude Wu Li = My Way = be true to your self Wu Li = Nonsense = From random comes symmetry Wu Li = I clutch my ideas = Know your self Wu Li = Enlightenment = Can only come from within. - "My interpretation" Their are 8 variations of the meaning of 'Wu Li' the Chinese language. Much better than a cold bath Jude.

Well, I myself am Catholic. And i know all the y ada yada about no sex, its a sin ..... stuff, but i have also had alot of sex. i feel sex is a normal thing, and if it makes you happy then you should do it. not with everyone all the time. but with the right person.... all the time.

Sounds like a load of bollocks to me!

when ever i have Insomnia John always comes to the rescue.

Mass > Energy Energy > = Mass. Both one and the same thing missi, and equally applicable to you, me and every living thing. So at least we appear to have something in common!

Does that mean fat bastards have more energy than anorexics?

No!

John.... I love ya man! Why do people take what would be considered common sense and relate it to Chinese philosophy. I work with a Chinese woman and she doesn't get it either, she thinks we’re all goofy.

dress it up how you like John but all I got from that was... My way is to make a fist and clutch myself. sounds pretty obvious to me.

So there is no direct realationship between how much mass you have and how much energy it equals?

Mass has no energy unless it's in motion.

Whats common sense about the human condition? There is some thing that i believe to be common to all living people, the need to ask questions about our existences. Be it from a religious, Scientific or philosophic point of view, every one off us has a built in instinct to progress through curiosity. 'Well perhaps not missi'. Wu Li is just another way to ask and interpret those questions. Given Jude's pursuit of higher conscientiousness, i assumed her question was not just a question of Sex, but a question of a particular philosophical mind set. Or why would her question present complications? Hence, Wu Li. *Tuck's legs behind ears*

Well, I assumed she was wondering how she was going to spend the rest of her life as a celibate. It never occurred to me that Einstein needed to weigh in. Silly me... So, Jude...are you prepared to remain celibate for the rest of your life?

Bigger dosn't mean more mass missi. Very small objects can have great mass and so more energy yield per M^2

Radio! What's Einstein got to do with Wu Li?

Hell, I don't know...that was my point! What weighs more John... a pound of bricks or a pound of feathers?

I think the crucial question in all this should be: What is it about sex that makes me feel so extremely uncomfortable that I would consider chastity for the rest of my life? Or: Why does an enjoyable and fullfilling sex life seem to be unattainable? I once interviewed some Buddhist monks who had taken a vow of chastity. The vow was restricted to one year only and excluded any sexual activity whatsoever. The monks were very open about it and admitted that it was bloody difficult and that they wouldn't be able to do it consistently for a lifetime. As far as I'm concerned, the roman catholic stance on chastity is all about hierachy and external control and as such just wilful and silly, unrealistic and utterly neurotic. The latest research suggests that 1% of the population is asexual and perfectly content and happy as they are. They just don't have any sex drive - which I suppose doesn't pose the question of chastity in the first place. It's apparently seen by science as another variant of the norm. (I can't help the feeling, however, that some of those people must be having a bloody hard time in our sex obsessed society where you're not seen to be a complete person if you're not 'doing it'...). [%sig%]

Depends if they've been soaked in water I suppose ...

consecrated chastity isn't about being uncomfortable about sex. the vow gives one the freedom to Love completely (apparently). thanks for all your varied and err interesting advice.