Where's Linda Lusardi?

You win. Once again humbled by the inteligence on this site.

That's very mature and liberated of you.... Personally though I wouldn't have put a partner in the list. It's an imaginary list full of people who don't exist in any way shape or form in my sphere of existance and therefore a fantastical account in which it's not necessary to include real life. Unless you really would choose 1 or 2 over your wife if they offered. Funny thing. I wasn't shocked that your wife wasn't at the top of the list. I was shocked that she was included in such a fantasy at all and THEN wasn't even number one in your list. Daft huh?

Fair point Vicky (Damian), But the whole thing was only meant tongue-in-cheek. Of course, in my real list my wife is number one. But as you say, this is a fantasy list that takes only physical attractiveness into consideration. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I wouldn't choose to marry or have sex with anyone else on the list (well, maybe Linda Lusardi - joke). However, the paper in question's list was of the sexiest women. Which, for the most part, as we don't know their personalities at a deeper level, means those that are pleasant on the eye. And I repeat, there is absolutely nothing wrong with appreciating the beauty of the human body.

dunno man.. don't know how to define sexy anymore.. don't even know who Linda Lusardi is.. kinda guess my top ten would be composed of people who don't walk around thinking they're something else. A body is just a body at the end of the day.. everyone's gonna grow old and wrinkly. And looks never last anyway.. A Will Shakespeare quote: "Thy glass will show thee how thy beauties wear, thy dial how thy precious minutes waste; The vacant leaves thy mind's imprint will bear, and of this book this learning mayst thou taste The wrinkles which thy glass will truly show. Of mouthed graves will give thee memory; Thou by the dial's shady stealth mayst know time's thievish progress to eternity." It's just a short moment of your life. If you're a bad mix with someone else mentally/spiritually.. then it all ends in tears. How a person looks means nothing. It's the person who occupies that body that matters.. not what they look like on the outside.. it's who they are on the inside.. their personality. I find women who are humble and sensitive really attractive. Cause I feel comfortable around them. Can be myself with them, can open up and talk to them. And that's who I would put in my top ten.. women like that.. not glamourous models.. though I can't be bothered to put a top ten anyway.. cause I jus can't place anyone in a structure like that, it all seems a bit wierd. soz. not judging you like.. just me... being honest.. Women who are really attractive. Jus make me feel like I'am out of my depth, out of my league.. and insecure. I aint got much confidence when it comes to women anyway.. I always feel dead scared. I'am not joking, it's a real battle for me sometimes. In nightclubs and stuff when women come onto me.. I always freeze man.. it's awful, I hate it.. but I can't do anything about it. I'am jus not a man I guess.. or man enough or something.. too weak.. has just been a while since I went out with anyone. That's why if I was ever gonna go out with anyone again it would have to be someone who I felt relaxed with. Oh Christ I'am even being serious on a not so serious thread.. I jus seem to be like this a bit at the moment.. everywhere I go.. even in the pub for fecks sake.. telling people it's not natural to use deoderant.. and they get really funny.. and call me wierd.. but I think they're wierd.. cause they're using unnatural toxic chemicals to disguise natural smells and block up their pores.. can't stand the smell of deoderant me.. it makes me feel sick.. anyway tell me to shut the f**k up if I'am doing anyone's head in.. and I will. I'll try lighten it up a bit: A complex subtle balanced life support system. whatever that means.. it just happend to play in the background from my stereo.. yeah man.. the thing is right you see these models in the magazines on the catwalk, on the telly.. but.. who are they really? at the end of the day.. they're just a complex biological entity, full of hormones.. jus like everyone else/\zzzzz With a pretty face I guess. But then what did these people look like before they were born? I mean does the soul have a face? and if it does.. what does their real face look like? and is it right to glamourize stuff so that young girls make themselves painfully, dangerously thin, go on unnatural diets.. jus so they can look like some great model they've seen in a magazine.. or in a movie.. because men pant over them.. I mean I know this girl right.. and she's obssessed with her weight.. she thinks she's fat.. but she's not fat at all.. she starves herself man.. to try and get thin, cause she's paranoid about what she looks like.. she wants to look like these models on the catwalk.. but the thing is she don't need to.. she looks fine.... so I tell her she looks fine.. but she won't believe me man.. and it makes me feel sad. I hate the media hype of glamour bullshit.. and what it does to people's psyche. The world of glamour and fashion it's all cardboard cut out smiles.. hey look at me.. this is the latest fAsHiOn Don't you wanna be just like me??? oh {en vogue} whatever the hell en vogue means.. I don't know.. haven't got a clue. just sounds so far out of touch with our roots. Wouldn't it be great if they got women who had fantastic personalities walking down the catwalks instead? maybe then young girls wouldn't feel so insecure. The fashion word is a f - ing loony bin man. all my love ~FS.2002~ ()-:

My mates always take the piss out of me for having a 'left wing libido'. Given any group of people to choose from, I always seem to go for the least 'conventionally' attractive. God knows what that's all about. My partner's convinced that I have fantasies about Meg from The White Stripes. I can't really do beauty without context and substance, looking at people as if they were a collection of parts rather than as people. It's posible to almost take an almost aesthetic view, comparing this bit of a person to that bit of a person but ultimately that means very little to me. Is Elizabeth Taylor at 28 more sexy than Barbara Windsor at 19? I don't know, I never met either of them, and an image of someone is very different to the person themselves.

Karl - I know it's all down to personal taste and everything - but Felicity Kendall was (in her Good Life days) absolutely amazing!!!! - far, far, far more gorgeous than Linda Lusardi (or indeed any Page 3 model) for having both looks, intelligence, talent and a cracking a.rse.

I've never found Liz Taylor attractive regardless of her age.

I saw Linda Lusardi walking down South Molton Street in 1986 when i was working there. She had a scruffy silver bomber jacket on, white stilettos with heels that were leaning inwards, and tons and tons of makeup. I didnt get too close, but if i had've done, i imagine i would've got a strong whiff of digestive biscuits or haddock as she passed by. Sorry in all that... I bet she's a lovely person too...

True. I'm not having a go, I just enjoy a good debate, So I 'm curious do you appreciate the beauty of ALL human bodies or just the one's teenage girls strive to emulate?

I used to work in an old people's home, where had to help people bathe etc. What I was struck by was the strange power of the human body. There is always something beautiful about it, maybe not in the the sharp, pointed way of sexual desire, but in some other, more intangible way. sexual desirability and beauty seem to me to run along a mostly parallel set of tracks for most people, but the two are definately seperate things.

I was quite depressed by Karl's comments, to be honest. I think sexiness is way past youth and the way someone's features lie on their face. However, I was greatly cheered up by Funky and Markbrown's take on things....I too go for unconventional looking people and I hope that I find deeper things to admire than perfect noses, heaving chests and blond hair. I'd prefer a sensual list personally...with Beatrice Dalle, Natassjia (how do you spell her name?) Kinsi and all those gloriously spirited woman who defy definition.

Who's your sexiest wofl? The one in LRRH?

wofl - dyslexic wolf

Where on earth was the ravishing Jenny Agutter?

Her train broke down

Exactly. Enigmatic, intelligent and compassionate - that has to be sexier than a stick with glamour?

And no doubt upped in Ralph's estimations by taking her clothes off every two seconds.

Did I forget to mention that...silly me...

"digestive biscuits " ?????? This will keep me up all night wondering.......

Ahhh! Felicity! Sweetly Pretty (Young Ones) Jenny (oof!) - No! (oof!) (Ralph, oof! eh?) Francesca Annis (whhooo! I used to watch a children's programme with my kids when she was young and bent over a lot in a mini skirt)* But I am old! Kathleen Zeta Turner definitely! Mmmm! Keep growing up lovely women, as I sink into old age and decrepitude. You will keep me going, and going, arghh..... * and it is interesting that a similar mini-skirted bimbo appeared on the early 'Kenny Everett Show' (he called her 'Golly' because of her hairdo (long time ago folks)) - was none other than , daraaaa! ...Germaine Greer (I kid not!)

It's been my opinion for more years than I can remember that the sexiest woman in the world is the one that gets her kit off for you with a smile on her face. (I've yet to meet her)

Karl...your wife is number 3?

Yeah, but don't tell her. I'm actually number three myself to Liam Neesam and Tom Jones. "There's no harm in looking at the menu as long as you don't order anything," as she always says. Joking aside, we've got a great relationship unimpeded by petty jealosies. That doesn't mean that we're swingers, mind. Just that we can appreciate the attractiveness of the human body. (On reflection, I think I'd swop Rachel from S-Club 7 for Lulu, who definitely seems to be maturing with age).

I was once on a month-long intensive hypnotherapy course in Hawaii. After about a week and a half, a latecomer joined the group. She had long, grey hair and seemed pleasant enough. Yet after two or three days my friend, Gina, and myself noticed that she was incredibly beautiful. I can only describe it as being a proud beauty - Naked American style perhaps. She wasn't what you'd traditionally call "sexy". But her beauty kind of shone in an almost spiritual way. And that reminds me of an old mate of mine, Dave. Dave was born with a wild hair up his @!#$, and that’s all there is to it. He had a savage charisma about him that radiated out of the chaos of his life. His energy came at you from all directions and watching Dave, when he was on form, was like trying to keep your eyes on the pattern the sun makes as it bounces off the waves at dusk. You could be forgiven for thinking that Dave was a Gypsy. Olive skin with tightly curled, ink-coloured hair and bright green eyes that sparkled with mischief. He had a scar crossing one of his eyes, I can’t even remember which one now, but it really took nothing away from his looks. He captivated girls just as easily as he fascinated men. There was no way you could walk into a pub and be unaware of the fact that Dave was in there. He did not blend in. It was just something about his aura. It shone brighter than the rest, ablaze with energy. Dave was a laughing, joking Shaman of a clown. The court jester but with all the respect of a king, for there was always an element of danger lurking about beneath the surface of his smile. Maybe that’s what attracted the women. I was pals with Dave for years, and I watched him “perform” numerous times. In those days it was just what he did. He was wild and untameable. But he always had this grin on his face, as if he was really having a ball. He never played to the crowd. He did crazy things just to amuse HIMSELF. He acted that way just because it made HIM laugh. And if it made others laugh, all well and good, but that wasn’t the important thing. Dave was so fucking beautiful, man. Maybe sexy as well, but from a guy's point of view I wouldn't know about that. But he had this savage beauty about him that captivated and held your attention.