Where Do I Stand On Tony Martin?

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Fri, 2003-08-08 14:00

The question was posed by one of the 'Three Why's Men' earlier in the week, albeit as some kind of self-important, pompous, 'I'm an intelligent man that knows everything and you are an ignorant oik' provocation on the part of the poser. Since the revelation in this mornings papers regarding Fearon's claim for £100,00 damages I find myself in a frame of mind to answer.

Tony Martin is no more a murderer than you or I, he defended his castle and struck a blow for common sense. In the same circumstances I would probably have done the same. All this bollocks about shooting at fleeing burglars is just that. He was in his own home, minding his own business when two low-life tossers decide to steal his property and maybe even harm him if he tries to stop them. In the absence of a policeman I am the law in my house, and I will dispense it anyway I see fit. If the 'courts' wish to take issue with me after I couldn't care less. Anyone who wishes to put me to the test is welcome to try. Fred Barras would most likely have gone on to be a career thief just like his mentor, so it seems to me that Martin saved him from a life of crime and the rest of us from the dubious pleasure of a night visit from the little scumbag.

Tony Martin made one very serious mistake though. He should have killed Fearon too, he wouldn't have got any more or less porridge for it and he wouldn't be having to tolerate the insult of another court case.

Sat, 2003-08-09 21:32

sabelle

I would definitely not turn my back on the 'Babylon' if they were armed. Half of us would be dead.

Sat, 2003-08-09 21:43

mississippi

How can you be a squatter in your own home?

Wed, 2003-08-13 22:58

sabelle

Missi Do they still sell Pink Lady? The poor girl's Babycham. That, Tennants Extra & Concorde were the mainstays of my student life. Those were the days

Tue, 2003-08-12 08:37

Sadie

Greco, I was led to believe that the burglars were Gypsies. Perhaps someone can check this out. If their not Gypsise then your right they should n'y be called Gypsies, but if they are then of course they sjhould. You say that you take esception to someone implying that gypsies are ALLWAYS thieves, but if they weere gypsies then youtr argument is all at sixes and sevens because the implication that you claim is not there. And if that is the case i also take exception to you implying that ALL Americans are crazy. I am not an American anymore than you are a gypsy, but i still take exception to your implication that ALL americvans are crazy. Lastly i have arthritis in my hands and don't type very welll. I am aware of this and think it very unkind of you to make fun of me.

Sun, 2003-08-10 00:31

InsPector Giraffe

"How can you be a squatter in your own home?" just ask Tony Martin.

Tue, 2003-08-12 12:52

stuart

Yes, I thought that was ill informed. You took your eye of the ball there Gecko. If you're going to take the mick you should try to be aware of the facts first.

Sun, 2003-08-10 09:00

mississippi

Sorry Insp. Gaffe, but that is no explanantion at all. A squatter is, as far as I know, a person who 'squats' on someone elses property. Tony Martin owns that property. I repeat, how is it possible to squat in your own home. You may dislike the guy or even hate him but he's entitled to same respect you would accord anyone else, (except a low-life scummy burglar) and calling him a squatter tells us more about you and your viewpoint than it does about him.

Thu, 2003-08-14 07:56

mississippi

Dunno Sadbelle, I only remember them from a TV advert, never actually got my hands on one at the time. (either variety)

Sun, 2003-08-10 14:30

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The Plod

That is exactly the point I was trying to make, missi. I can only agree with IG that if they are NOT promoting the same argument. sabelle, dunno 'bout my colleagues but turning your back on me makes no diff. I'd shoot 'em whichever way they'd be turned. :-]

Sun, 2003-08-10 15:35

#11

Ralph

Missi You fell for that hook line and sinker. You really are a freak. Grec is right. When you were a lad, did you ever nick a packet of sweets from the corner shop. If so, woulsd the owner have the right to shoot you in the back with an illegal weapon, then to go and sell his story to the press? You are @!#$ mental mate. Go and get your hair cut You have upset me and so in your world of pain that gives me the right to shoot you. Watch your back sunshine. What a @!#$. Ralph

Tue, 2003-08-12 13:28

#12

Sadie

Thank you Stuart

Tue, 2003-08-12 15:42

#13

freda

Sadie , don't worry about your typing. It's better than that of some people who don't have a valid explanation, but anyway it just doesn't matter! In a forum situation it's the opinions wot count.

Sun, 2003-08-10 17:33

#14

sabelle

Well PC Plod or is it Chief Super? That proves my argument.

Tue, 2003-08-12 16:15

#15

Sadie

Thank you Freda, your a kind lady, but i will try to do better in the future.

Sun, 2003-08-10 19:36

#16

Mike Winner

The Madness of King Ralph

Sun, 2003-08-10 19:39

#17

mississippi

If you say so Larph.

Tue, 2003-08-12 17:20

#18

Pete

Hello all,I'd just like to make a few comments regarding the Tony Martin issue, if I may.Iwould imagine , though I am by no means certain ,that peoples' views on this matter will depend partially on who they place in their in group and out group.It seems reasonable that those who class all people as equally valid(the standard political orthodoxy in a liberal democracy)will be likely to deplore the killing,whereas those who have a smaller in group(the' default setting-usually friends and family)will be more concerned with the rights of the individual ,as they will wish to protect their own group.I would anticipate also a

Tue, 2003-08-12 17:49

#19

mississippi

For Pete's sake! Is it possible to have an 'in group' of one? Are you typing with the aid of a dictionary or do you

Sun, 2003-08-10 21:52

#20

Raif.........now now, I really hope you retract the contract on my friend George. On account that your henchmen would be hard put to get past the hitmen looking for you!! Shame they can't find you at the Bloomsbury. I ask again? DO YOU REALLY WORK THERE? In any capacity?

Tue, 2003-08-12 17:50

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Pete

Sorry I'm not skilled with machines .To continue Iwould also anticipate right/left and authoritarian/libertarian splits on this issue which are indicative of the model of society people adhere to.These views are in themselves not demonstably 'true',as far as I know ,and therefore this argument may be unresolvable in principle. I would also point out that Americans are not crazy, at least not for reasons so far outlined.The tendency to increasing violent cababilities,the Hobbesian trap if memory serves,is aa expected result of human evolved psychology and is easily represented in game theory mechanics.It tends to arise in societies where the justice system is weak or uneven or where criminal culture elevates the perceived need for pre-emptive strikes. As for the use of the word gypsy it of course is contextually dependent.However whatever word you use for a group that is often seen as somehow deficient will invariably offend someone, as there will be stigmatisation of even the most recent politically correct term will have occured.Remember when it was good to be called special? I apologise for the weaknesses in my ideas or their presentation and realise tht believing something doesn't make it true.Thanks for reading

Sun, 2003-08-10 21:58

#22

Ralph

You really are quite an unpleasent person Jackie and not very bright. I bet you bite the heads of rats. Ralph x

Tue, 2003-08-12 17:53

#23

Aunt Fannie

I might order an Indian now.

Tue, 2003-08-12 17:53

#24

Pete

In group of one ,yes.Dictionary,no.

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:12

#25

:( Oh Raif..........am heartbroken that you should think me unpleasant and not very bright, I'd sooner be nasty and thick, than be you, ONE VERY SMALL PRICK! Oops silly, nasty Jackie. Forgot you ain't got one have ya?

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:14

#26

Ralph

I'm hung like a horse babe. Ask me bird. Getting any these days? Rx

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:14

#27

Grec

Good one. *coughs daintily*

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:16

#28

Ralph

hahah!

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:17

#29

Grec

That was to AJ, tho it may as well be to Ralph too. Ralph, advice, don't get involved in this; this is the worst exchange of insults I've seen in at least five minutes.

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:18

#30

Ralph

OK honey!

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:20

#31

Grec

*blushes*

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:23

#32

neigh Raif.........hung like a horse, was that when you were in Panto when you had your head stuck up somebody elses @!#$ as usual??

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:28

#33

by stander

and well you might do grec, you do know ralph is ac/dc don't you?

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:28

#34

Aunt Fannie

How long is this going to last, should i order a pizza?

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:28

#35

Ralph

AJ you are comic genius. Go and watch a Jim Davidson video and give it a rest love. Three cheers for Barrymore. X

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:30

#36

and a bottle of plonk........sleeping bags as well!

Tue, 2003-08-12 19:03

#37

sabelle

Flash Do you ever think of anything but food? Ok apart from the 2 other obvious ones (sex and football)

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:32

#38

Ralph

Nah. I'm bored withe her mate. She comes out of the woodwork once in a while (usually pissed and bitter) and has a pop and I usually just take the piss out of her and she goes away. Have a cup of tea instead. Ralph

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:32

#39

Aunt Fannie

I was thinking a meat feast with extra tomato sauce?

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:33

#40

Aw Raif.........such words of wisdom. Shame you ain't got the same comic genius that you proclaim to all that I have! Perhaps you should go and read some more scripts etc....get an idea what is FUNNY, TRAGIC and HUMANE.

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:33

#41

sabelle

By the tone of the conversation, everyone's after Ralph. He must be one fit guy!!!

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:34

#42

you did mean SICK guy Sabelle surely?

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:37

#43

Ralph

I use to be a bit chubby to tell you the truth. Not these days though. Started going to the gym and sparring again. i used to box a lot when I was a lad(repped my county at schoolboy level). Women were the ruin of me of course. R x

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:40

#44

Ralph

God that's funny AJ. Let me get you a gig at the Bloomsbury. cCan you play the spoons as well? (always helps) Rx

Tue, 2003-08-12 19:49

#45

flash

Me think of three things at once, no only one of those topics dominates my thoughts.

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:40

#46

"Nah. I'm bored withe her mate. She comes out of the woodwork once in a while (usually pissed and bitter) and has a pop and I usually just take the piss out of her and she goes away." You can never KEEP IT UP though can YOU Raif? On account you have to have something there in the first place. An whoosh pished an better? Me of course. Full of piss on account of taking it out of you......hahahahahahaha! SUCKER!

Tue, 2003-08-12 19:55

#47

mississippi

Sorry to disagree with you Pete but 'one' does not constitute a 'group'. Perhaps you need the dictionary more than you think. Also to make your point in a more lucid fashion I advise that you stop using the long words/fancy phrases and stick to simple language we semi-literates can understand.

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:41

#48

Aunt Fannie

Right i'm ordering, Sabelle do you wanna a Pizza?

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:42

#49

How's yer camping skills Raif? Found yer wallet yet?

Sun, 2003-08-10 22:48

#50

Ralph

AJ. I apologise that I hurt you. I never really fancied you you see. Sorry to let you down like this. There are plenty more fish in the sea love. Go for a swim doll and be careful of the crabs. Once again, sorry it did not work out. Ralph x

Fri, 2003-08-08 15:27

#51

Grec

Oh Missi, you're such a wishy washy liberal namby pamby. "In the absence of a policeman I am the law in my house, and I will dispense it anyway I see fit." Well, I hate to disagree with the Charles Bronson of Essex, but your system is rather open to abuse. So any murder in one's own home doesn't have to count as murder, as that is simply dispensing law as one sees fit? "Hey, Wifey, you burnt my pot roast... *Bang! Bang!* ...just dispensing law as I see fit." "Oh look, a little boy riding a bike over my garden... *Bang! Bang!* ...just dispensing etc." "Hey John. Coming round to mine for dinner? No, I'm not bitter about you getting the promotion, no hard feelings." LATER THAT NIGHT *Bang Bang* "Just dispensing etc." I understand your protectiveness, your terrortrial nature, it's in all of us but YOU CAN NEVER SHOOT PEOPLE IN THE BACK AS THEY'RE RUNNING AWAY and IN NO DANGER no matter WHAT the circumstances... ...anyone who doesn't agree with that scares the hell out of me.

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