Can Any Ladies Out There Explain This?

What you really mean is why don't women behave like men, Karl, and I for one am glad they don't.

Karl thats for us to know and you to pay the phone bill also if she had walked down to Sandy's the question would have been why did she do that when she had only just left her. Women can be so mysterious thats part of their charm and attraction where men believe it or not can be so predictable...

Are men predictable ? I think they can be just as surprising given some lee way but there again I do have a huge hang over

when you have been away it's nice to come home and be at home ... you want to be in the house with the kids (if you have been away without them) ... and as soon as you get home you can somehow reflect differently on your experiences... and you may want to talk about what happened with someone who was there too ... or maybe your husband is one of those bores ... or he is someone who does the typical thing where you say: "Linda was SO upset about John," and what you want is for someone who was there to say "god yes, wasnt she? well i am not surprised he is a right bastid isnt he, doing that?" and then you can say "ooooh yes, i wouldnt put up with it" etc. and instead you say that about linda to your husband and he either grunts whilst looking at the telly or he fixes you with a steely fixing look and says "Linda should leave John and stop bloody moaning about it." then closes the conversation. really it isnt difficult to see why women want to talk to each other, talking is the point and if you arent lucky enough to have a partner who can do it properly of course you will want to do it with someone else ... and the other thing is your friends will probably make you laugh a lot more than your husband does ... and if you have been away for a weekend then there will be LOADS of laughter fodder ...

Makes me wonder why you bother with men at all.

Pen (hope I can call you that) what you have just writen now that! is food for thought, but I still and have always said I don't think I would like to live in a world without them...

well some of us like a jolly good rogering

actually what i meant to say was ... mine is very good at talking but not everyone's is ... and i was just trying to answer karl's question even tho i am not a lady ...

fish...could you point out, just in the interests of research, you understand, the ladies who do, like a jolly good rogering....

The thing is (oh yes) if women learned to talk without failing to omit every excrutiating detail, constantly going off on tangents, littering their speech with "I mean, it's like, you know what I mean", bombarding us with the grievances of every female no-mark this side of the equator when we're trying to bloody relax, WE wouldn't learn to SWITCH OFF. I know you want to talk. We like to also. But learn a few conversational skills. Edit. Get a "what's interesting?" filter for your heads. Say something FUNNY. Say something INTERESTING. Say something IMPORTANT and most of all your story should have a POINT.

...most of us who are at one with our sexuality i would think martin_t, but that's not to say there isn't always a place for the gentler arts too of course

*cites paul greco as a good reason to talk to other women* :-)

Paul, can you apply that advice to your forum posts? ;-) ;-)

I was just being defensive Fishy, no need to explain.

what lovely smiles, mind if i send them on around the world.. Rita, Skydolphin, Wolfie and everyone : )

I think we have to learn how to talk to women. As men we are more likely to have a problem-solving approach to emotional issues, but it's probably best to rein that in and just listen and talk the thing over, whatever it is. There are two ways to look at it: one is to say to yourself, "Oh, no, she's gone over this same isseue with me about several times before"; another is to say, "well this is enjoyable, having this lovely person sharing her confidences with me" - the exact topic of conversation is a side issue. Once you get into that zone, it's easier. I have a friend whose been in the same relationship triangle for the last ten years and nothing seems to change, despite one crisis after another; when she comes to see me I'm just happy to have her around, and let her get it off her chest and explore it through talk. In case that makes me seem all too goody goodty, I should say that one thing which does annoy me about my younger female friends is, when I'm in the porocess of being a good listener, they keep sending and receiving bloody text messages, more often than not reporting the content to me. I've tried to point out that this is irritating, but they take no notice, thinking I'm lightly pulling their legs. Anybody know any ways round this one, a recent phenomenon? d.beswetherick.

You could try getting it off their chests and pulling their legs for real dotty, you'll get their attention if nothing else.

George, you'll have to explain 'a jolly good rogering' to Rita, methinks.

"really it isnt difficult to see why women want to talk to each other, talking is the point " I get it. After 49 frigging years, I finally get it. It's angling for women. You don't go to actually catch anything, just to sit there for six hours and enjoy it. Thank you fishy. Now why didn't one of you explain it before? [%sig%]

there you hoxie pie ... now all your relationships with women will be wonderful ... angling ... yes ... no point to it but doing it ... dibbling the tongue in the slow flow of the conversational river and not dragging out the old boot of a solution ...

goddamit, what's your point fish....

Really Martin, there's no need for that, you're beginning to sound like like my ex boss Russell - he was born in the far east, his father was in the RAF out there, although I don't think he was a pilot, something to do with supplies, logistics, yes that's it, logistics, he was fairly senior I believe, and had all his uniforms custom made by a local tailor, well the prices are so low compared to back here, I mean, my friend Janice went there last year on holiday with one suitcase and came back with three, and the quality of the stuff was incredible for the price, and then she split up with her boyfriend and put on three stone so now she can't wear any of it, and just sits around the office all day moping, which really annoys Russell. Which is why he's so short tempered. like you Martin. [%sig%]

i'm not ******* short tempered.......**** off.......

oh dear as evilmartin_t been posting again

Cloggie, I don't think they use the name Roger in Texas. However they DO use Hank, perhaps I could dream up something like 'Hanking', similar to.. . . . . . .

I've found that it's useful, quite often, to have the male perspective on something though. You're right Fish, sometimes a woman just wants to talk, but to be honest it's all about understanding. Understanding ourselves, understanding why other people do the things they do, like, for instance, why the hell doesn't Linda leave John? The male perspective is quite eye opening in this, but you have to be crafty to get it. Most men can't multi task as well as most women so you have to make sure there's nothing else they're doing right at that time. The news isn't on for instance... if a man's watching the news all he'll hear is you prattling away in the background and catch maybe one in 5 words and he doesn't really understand that the converstaion's quite interesting. Take him to a pub, a pub which has NO footy on in the background and u'll get his undivided attention for several hours... it's great. Why do you think that so many of the men on ABC are veritable fonts of information? They're not actually doing anything which divides their interest but contributing....... Doesn't work on all men of course... some of them really ARE that dull ;)

Gosh, yes, that's postively inspired, George! A Jolly Good Hanking...yes, indeed.

Buck? A jolly good Bucking. Have John and Linda fallen out? i thought they were an item for life.

and there is another annoying conversational tic that men have ... they ask a question then show no interest at all in the damn answer ..

Do they?

My friend Aga has a 15 y.o. daughter who converses in chat rooms with her friends from school for hours. It's 'free,' or at least unmetered if you have a fixed adsl line...dangerous offering a teenager anything unmetered. I've often enjoyed talking with women more than men, mostly because I have no interest in sports and having lived alone since 1969, I like to pick up useful tips for doing things around the house. Of course, that can backfire, as many women are useless around the house these days, but still, it's worth a try.

hox ... i suddenly feel totally understood and in tune with you ...

thanks fishy.....finally getting in touch with my feminine side ......... do you think these slippers make my bum look big? [%sig%]

no .... but a good bra would take POUNDS off you ...

fish, you mean a bit like, 'Does Karl only ever start threads?' *saunters off not rhetorically*