Maxine Carr...........

a night with maxine and she can sin all she likes. curl that tongue, sparkle those eyes and i am in heaven

I'm sorry. Sexy? Jeez, you must be either on a wind-up or must have a very low 'what is attractive' threshold. She reminds me of the pictures I've seen of a blow up doll... I guess the glazed eyes, red lips, opened mouthed, unintelligent expresion does it for you eh? Setting aside her crime, how many men here find her attractive? my vote 1/10

nice to see max was calm and collected in court. She knows they dont punish the right people. this country never takes care of its superstars. we love you maxine xxx

Let us hope Maxine is ok in her new temporary home - such a pretty thing!! I would like to hear from the near child murder victim. Please give more details to help me understand.

Am I missing something here? The person who you're completely infatuated with comes up to you and says, "I punched a bus conductor today and the police are looking for me," or, "Me and a couple of pals robbed a post office. Can you cover for us?" you might, against your better judgement, agree to help get him out of the shit. But if your lover turns around to you and says, "Oh, by the way, I was going to mention something earlier but it slipped my mind. I killed a couple of the kids from your class today ...... well, I didn't really kill them ..... well, I did, but not like you imagine ..... it was an accident. You see, we were all in the bathroom together and one kind of fell in the bath and drowned and I couldn't get her out, of course, because I was kind of ..... well ..... wrestling ..... well, no, not wrestling ...... I had hold of the other girl because I didn't want her to scream. I mean, you would, wouldn't you? Anyway she died as well. I don't know how it happened, but that's life and all that. Anyway, I'm kinda stuck with the dead bodies, so what I need you to do is cover my arse. I don't want people getting the wrong impression ..... you know what they're like around here ....." you are surely going to feel part of your soul freeze over. You are surely going to have one or two questions yourself. It's surely going to occur to you that this doesn't feel right. In short, you're going to think that you are now party to information that is way over your head. You are surely going to do everything you can to persuade him to talk to the authorities. And if you don't, you deserve everything you've got coming (which in this case isn't much).

some of the comments here make we want to throw up - but i shall just discard it all from my mind, quickly..

Vixen = a female fox. Not sure I understand the question.

God was there admiror. Maxine has a chance to move on and make something with her life. But she will probably associate with someone just like Huntley, another controlling spineless man

He didnt tell her he'd done it Karl, obviously... i dont think any woman is quite that thick, despite what you may think. He asked her to say that he was with her when he wasn't and thats all as far as i am aware. Of course any woman would do that... I know I would. And you wouldnt believe for one second that he wouldve murdered someone - would you? The media are responsible for her still being in prison, by whupping gullible scapegoat seekers into a frenzy. Lets not forget that she did NOT kill those girls. She just told a porky. Hardly in the same league now is it? She doesnt deserve what she's got at all.

I bow to your language superiority! Silly me.

I think what you've missed Karl, is that he had been charged with a rape, I believe, some years earlier, and had been cleared by video evidence. She knew about the previous incident and he convinced her he would be framed for the kids going missing (at this point I don't think they had been found). Anyway, she apparently loved him, and as is often the case lovers can't belive their partner would do something so evil, and so she tried to protect him believing him to be innocent. That's not the same thing as KNOWING someone has committed a crime and giving them an alibi. I feel sorry for her because whatever happens from now on she will have to live with the guilt of her involvement, which at the very worst was nothing more than misguided loyalty to the man she loved.

Did he state that she knew nothing about it, do you believe him, do you believe her?

What I can't grasp is why she didn't put two and two together. Circumstance one: Huntley had been accused of a sexual crime some years before. Circumstance two: two girls went missing while Maxine Carr was away, Huntley being the last to see them. Circumstance Three: he asked Carr to give him an alibi. Alarm bell time, surely. She could have remained true to him and not lied for him. That's why I brought up the questions of how blind love leads to denial. In France the legal system recognises something called Crime of Passion - a criminal act done while right and wrong are suspended under the influence of a blinding emotion. That would be provide no excuse for Carr - her crime was to knowingly lie to the police, for which she deserved punishment (though not custodial, in my opinion)- but she's done her time now and should be allowed out. You obviously can't have one rule for her and another for everyone else.

That admiror needs to be behind bars if you ask me. How can anyone come on a forum and say such things? Wierd. Suppose there's all sorts of people out there, but that never reduces the shock when you read something like that.

well obviously you can Bes, as that is what has happened...

What is there to uinderstand, Dotty? You said it yourself, 'love is blind', and there's none so blind as those that don't want to see. Been there, done that, bought the Tee shirt, lived to regret it.

I understand it up to a point - we can all be blinded by emotion - but I can't put myself in Carr's shoes, can't empathise with a mental process that defies reason to that extent. But it's probably the case that a character like Huntley deliberately seeks out a Maxine Carr type, someone he will be able to control, who will believe his lies. * I can never quite believe the way a pimp not only exploits his girl but contrives a relationship with her in which she does what she does for him because she loves him or is emotionally dependent on him. But then I realise that the pimps seek out a certain type of weak and biddable girl.

I think perhaps it's more like you don't fully understand the nature of 'love'. It works differently for everyone and you seem to be projecting your own fixed idea about it onto others. Some people really do become blind to what they don't want to see. Trust me, I'm a failure.

Seen worse. She's a bit dour though, isn't she? Spose I would be in the same situation. 3/10

Many threads ago I was willing to hang draw and quarter her. I bayed for her incarceration with the sentiment 'she must pay with with life imprisonment'. However if all she did was to believe the man she loved, albeit in hindsight it was a load of tosh, who among the caring, loving people of this world would not believe? Do any of us actually know whether she knew about Huntley's past accusations? If she did it would put a different perspectus upon the case. If she didn't she only did what anybody would do for the person we love. Why, because once we doubt we fail. When we fail to love we are dead.

so true Liana........it seems that justice will always be blinkered, mainly by the baying public. I for one stand to be counted. I wrongly assumed that we had a Myra Hindley etc when first confronted by the arrests. However the trial proved that all she appeared to be guilty of was loving her man and believing his lies. In this case it was a terrible mistake, but who among us in love have never believed the one we love? I for one can't cast that first stone.

When you're as desperate as me you'll shag anything. 10/10

She did know. Which was why she lied. Huntley had convinced her that precisely because of his past troubles he'd be fitted up. And she knew that he'd changed his name to get the job at Soham. The lying she did was quite serious: she knew she was lying - and the videotape shows that she was determined and persistent in her lying. But she's been punished now. I don't know what Blunkett's thinking of. Or maybe I do.

I think the sad thing AJ is that the press actually wanted another Myra Hindley - we had a vacancy and Rose West just doesn't cut it - too dumpy, not photogenic. The blankness in Carr's eyes was just right to become the new black eyeshadow and starched hair for the next ten years.

basically we could all blame the 24 hour news channels, in the old news of the six o'clock news and news at ten, we got tit bits of news, these days turn on sky and we get every fine detailed rammed down our throats. maybe she is guilty of lying to the police, but in light of the worlds media thrust upon her who wouldn't lie? just like a rabbit caught in the headlights of car. after all we all now know she was not even in soham when this thing happened, she take the advice of her team and move to austraila, and start a new life. oh it it should be paid by from the media...

She's guilty of her own stupidity. Apparently she wants the chance to do a TV interview; something along the lines of Bashir's interviews with Diana and Wacko... so she's going to be playing the victim card. IMO she should crawl under the nearest rock and stay there.

As always with these things we as the general public will never be in possession of the full facts so an informed decision is difficult. One thing is for sure she will live with the consequences of her collusion in those events for the rest of her like....that is the real sentence she will serve. I think perhaps she deserves to be pitied. We the public place ourselves on the moral high ground too easily. If you read some psychology such as the story of Kitty Geneovese then you will see how hypocritical the public are.

Neither. However, I think she is in for a life sentence, whether in or out of prison. She can't go to her home town, she can't go in to witness protection. She should just slip quietly back into life on the outside but definitely NOT play the media circus out of respect for the families of the victims. She has got off relatively lightly in terms of the witch hunt but she cannot profit from this (financially or otherwise) by becoming a constant reminder to the parents of what happened to their children.

Perhaps there's some code of practice that says you have to do a convicted person for everything else you find during the inquiry that they've done wrong. I remember when I was up on a charge in a job, they chucked in all the other things I'd ever done wrong, which just about every other employee was doing too. Nothing much In could do about that. In the old style of divorce, you could find a five-year-old incident of fork throwing being taken into account, or whatever. I felt a bit sorry for Mandelson when he was excoriated for lying on a mortgage application form, which wasn't really the issue surrounding his house purchase. * As for the parent doing a documentary: I think we have to take into account the pressure companies and papers will have put on him, so that they can make an attention-grabbing piece that will further their careers. My guess is that they will have convinced him that to make the programme could help prevent the same thing happening again.

there was talk of her having plastic surgery so she wouldn't be recognised... what a result ...with a face like that...

Ahhh, poor Maxine Carr. How can anyone feel anything other than deep sympathy for Maxine. This poor woman is a paragon of virtue and deeply symbolic of the victim status of all women everywhere. Opps, sorry. I slipped into the radical feminist description of Maxine Carr then. What I meant to say is she is an evil, twisted pathological liar being, for reasons I am unable to fathom, accorded the most astounding government help I can remember. Basically, here we have a female who, with her own full knowledge and complicity, helped to scrub a house of all traces of forensic evidence. Then, again with full awareness of her knowledge of the crimes against two beautiful girls, appeared on television looking relaxed and smiling and deeply concerned about the missing kids. Then her practised art of lying kicked in and she covered up for her boyfriends incredible crimes. Finally, in a masterly piece of acting she stood in court and laid the blame for all she did on Huntly. "If in doubt, blame the man and claim he abused you." Appeared to be the advice she got from her legal team. It was good advice. We all know that by claiming abuse these days females can avoid responsibility for anything, including murder. Now we have the disgusting spectacle of the Home Office embarking on a charm offensive via the BBC to make poor victimised Maxine Carr look like a misunderstood angel, while at the same time pumping hundreds of thousands of tax payers pounds into protecting this monster. This whole charade has the smell of Harriet Harmen, Blunkett and the other feminist truth avoiders in the government, all over it. Frankly it stinks! Maxine Carr was sentenced as though she were involved in a shop lifting gang. She did not so much go to prison as visit it. Now we are supposed to pay for her to disappear and the judiciary are trying to muzzle the press so no one can find her. This poor "victim." I would cry but I keep thinking of Holly and Jessica. Still, I expect their parents will rush out and buy the book when Maxine has written it. If Maxine Carr had been born a man, no excuse for her behaviour would have been good enough. No sentence long enough. No money would have been spent to hide him on release and certainly, no sympathy offered for his condition. Those poor dead children must be spinning in their graves. I wish I had been born a woman. If I had I could murder who I wish and be portrayed as a poor victim just by claiming abuse. Gender apartheid has arrived the only question is, why are we putting up with it?

Oooh Reverend Jude! It's true though, she is quite distinctive looking....

I reckon she's probably been put off men for life. Just a hunch ...

Yeah in jail with loads of women all shagging Maxine. Sweaty bodies, lots of tongue and licking - lovely

If thats the way people at the press think and how they should view seriel killers and their accomplaces as just gory news items then well maybe they should be looking for different jobs such as maybe, cleaning out massive pirhana fish tanks, with the pirhana fish still inside.

We all know as well that in any lower profile case, she'd have been out now no probs. She's still inside, basically, because the public don't *feel* she's been inside enough. The public only started counting after the trial, and it *feels* like she's only done about a month. You can't make crucial decisions about someone's life based on this bollocks.

A lot of people going off the subject ! Maxine's a victim. Been prosecuted for telling lies for a murderer. Been convicted. Been to jail and done her time. British Justice. Other offences brought into consideration. Convicted sentence to run concurrent so no extra time in jail. Good luck to you Maxine. Get on with your Life, God Bless

I agree she shouldn't make money, but should be left in peace she has served her sentence which wasn't long enough but thats the law.

I'm glad that you want to 'kill the press' near childmurder victim, I'll sleep better for that, in time for work in the morning (at a daily newspaper). Gee thanks for your shrewd understanding of the world at large. Then again, why do you think some newspapers print that stuff? Could it possibly be that it sells papers? Surely not, if that were true they'd outsell the ones that don't indulge in sensationalism, (like the one I work for incidentally. Clue - begins with a G). Oh hang on a minute, the ones that indulge in sensationalism DO outsell the ones that don't. But surely that would mean it was the readership's fault? Yay! Kill the readers! Kill the general public! It's good to know that someone who was apparently almost a murder victim has gained enough wisdom and understanding from the incident to have such mellow views on killing. Oh, hang on a minute, that doesn't work either does it? Well here's hoping that, as you say 'your opinion matters here' although I'm bound to say it sounds like complete nonsense to me.

hahaha beat me too it ???

I feel sorry for her. I suspect she just fell for the wrong guy but I agree wholeheartedly with the no profit comments. From what I understand she is not looking to profit from any interview - she just wants to clear the air. I think that's fair enough and I think she has the right to do it but I fear she may have to move abroad if she wants any peace in the rest of her life.

too? sheesh. Also, I've changed my mind on my rating the other day. She is the most grotesque triple bagger I've ever seen.

agree, the press shouldn't be allowed to dictate to the courts.

In your comment Liana you say she doesn't deserve what she got: is that for real? she lied and covered things up as said at the trial You generalise in what your saying and make it sound like a female verse male thing female and males are just as coniving and can be as incredibily evil as each other, i'm sure they can! she told a porky ? a wee bit more series than that maybe.

Don't belittle God . Look a bit closer at yourself first..

yes she lied, but it is the same as someone witnessing a murder/violent crime, and not telling the police, there are plenty of people who tell the police that they "didn't see anything, didn't hear anything,etc" when they probably did...they fear the criminals who carried out the crime, fear the repercussions if they do go to the police...maybe it was part love, part fear of ian huntley maxine carr didn't come forward, she maybe should have come forward, but whether she did or didn't, she had nothing to do with the actual crime, and the media is making her out to be myra hindley part 2... [%sig%]

Good to see the Wig back in form, anyway - - keep on going through those newspapers with a fine tooth comb, pal.

I wish I could understand the psychology of Huntley's hold over her - why people blank their minds to the obvious in these cases. I have an otherwise normal friend who won't be told, despite the fact that all her friends have told her for several years now, that her husband's blatantly having an affair. She won't hear a word of it. You can sit with her in a pub and talk normally about everything else, and yet on this subject it's like talking to an insane person - she'll actually make excuses for him, as if I am the deluded one. In the end you have to shut up and leave people to their own business. I suppose it's called 'denial', and it's a process that defies reason. All I can imagine is that it's some kind of default biological reaction to keep males and female together for the benefit of notional offspring. I watched the programme about Alex Best last night, and the same syndrome was freakily apparent, almost to the use of the deluded phrases. George Best was openly sleeping with other women, being robbed by hookers etc. - all fully reported in the Press - and beating Alex up from time to time into the bargain. Finally she did catch him in flagrante and belatedly wised up. She explained her prolonged resistance to the facts this way: "I had to see it with my own eyes. Up till then I was still trying to make excuses for him, thinking that it might not be true, that perhaps he wasn't lying." That mentality is so much stranger than fiction, in my opinion, that you couldn't easily write it in a story. Apart from anything else, the readers would be wanting to ring the character's neck. d.beswetherick.

Well, if you've ever seen a Francis Bacon portrait, I think you'll agree with me...

Max is so sweet so innocent almost child like herself [%sig%]