A new site tonight!

Hmmm, seems I had a key stashed in my back pocket all along - phew!

All together now... When you walk through the storm, hold your head up high, And don't be afraid of the dark....................... *waves abc mug over head* [%sig%]

That link just comes up blank to me Radio. I agree about the WTC but I very much doubt that a plane hit the pentagon. those quick thinking american spin mongers just picked up the ball and run with it

Hox, you make me laugh soooo much.... *crosses fingers*

oops.. thats in luck for tonight, not because i'm fibbing.

*Hasn't got a an ABC mug..........so waves a piccy of missi instead and sings along*

The latest news is that they hit snags last night - with loads of crazy usernames being registered - they were never activated but are still in the depths of the system and have to be eradicated. They contain punctuation marks etc. Each time one comes up it stops the automatic dataflow, has to be traced by hand and then cleared. At first these were 1% of entries but at the new end (those registered since the TAV Version 2 ABCtales) are 15%. This holds things up considerably. They may have finished that transfer in the wee small hours of this morning but now have to move over the stories etc. They are now sleeping and should be back on the job in the late afternoon. Techie time again!

I'm waving a picture of an ABC mug.

So is flash.

*titters*

DOH! (walked into that)

good luck with the changeover.

'I agree about the WTC but I very much doubt that a plane hit the pentagon. those quick thinking american spin mongers just picked up the ball and run with it' And people wonder how all these lame-ass conspiracy theories get up and running in the first place. Jesus H Christ.

see you on the other side!

Hey Rokkit, I'm not some half brained moron from the backwaters sitting in a rocking chair with a shotgun and tin foil on my head. I'm going on what I have read and seen and there are some VERY convincing arguments against a 747 hitting that building. It's widely understood that the pentagon crash is never talked about and it's obvious to see why when you look at the facts. .. of course, America would never do someting drastic to sway public opinion would it? The American government has done more cover ups than a teenagers makeup bag.

'there are some VERY convincing arguments against a 747 hitting that building' I totally agree. It was a 757. So where's Flight 77 gone, then? Still buzzing around in the sky? Why don't you try explaining to the bereaved families of people onboard the flight that their loved ones are still alive? If a few cherry-picked erroneous witness statements and some wonky physics are your idea of a 'VERY convincing' argument, then I think the archetypal 'half brained moron from the backwaters sitting in a rocking chair' better loan you his tin foil hat. It'll protect you when our shapeshifting lizard rulers switch on their mind control satelites. But then I suppose your background in aviation and crash investigation allowed you to weigh the evidence in an informed and objective manner against other theories. Scully, Mulder, come back! All is forgiven!

I found that silver plated colander's (large ones) work far better than wrapping aluminum foil over my head. Plus, when I'm done receiving my intergallactic messages from the planet xuzocomb, I can drain my spaghetti.

Clearly you are just part of of the conspiracy Rokkit... so who is your paymaster?

Hey man, don't push me man! I'm connected, get me? Dig too deep and I'll unleash my legions of winged monkeys!

Now why would you think I'm a mug, Emma?

And a site for sore eyes it will be.... badda boom. Good luck! *mummbles trilingual obscenities about IT problems*

Rokkitnite - my estimation of you has increased severalfold as a result of this thread... (not that you're bothered or anything...but just a show of appreciation)

Rokkit: I'm surprised that you can believe that Buddha could teleport Himself across rivers but that an American conspiracy could not make a plane disappear - mind you I expect modern English Zen Buddhism is long on Zen and short on Buddhism :o)

US plans for first-strike nuclear attacks against seven countries By David Wastell in Washington (Filed: 10/03/2002) Hard to believe that an administration that were prepared to use nuclear weapons - against non-nuclear states which were not themselves allied with nuclear powers - wouldn't dissapear the odd Jumbo Jet if it suited their purpose. Makes you laugh that America is currently prepared to attack Iran if they attempt to develop nuclear weapons and willing to use their own nuclear weapons to do it. [%sig%]

'Rokkit: I'm surprised that you can believe that Buddha could teleport Himself across but that an American conspiracy could not make a plane disappear' Damn right he could - and he grants his powers to all his followers. Back the f.uck up before I launch a mystic fireball on your peasy secular ass! Om!!

Still masturbating then Mykle?

When's 'tonight'?

"Standing by"

Jaques, the real question is WHERE is tonight? According to Einsteins theory of relativity, the faster an object travels, the slower time runs for that object. Based on observations from the people working on the ABC website, it appears to have left Camden on Thursday evening, and is travelling at about 60% of light speed. That puts it somwhere near the edge of the solar system, just past Skegness. [%sig%]

Oh, I thought it depended on which time-zone you live in.

So - how come the old site's still up? Or is that the new one, or...er dare I say it...??? Can't we even kill the old site properly?

Also, according to African time, there is no such thing as a fixed time. Today, tomorrow etc. have no meaning. It seems abctales works on the same principle.

I'm putting a bet on the 9th September... that would be apt, as that is the date in 2003 when the overhaul was supposed to have taken place... all good things come to those who wait however!

"I warned him, I said to him I said 'Tony, be a bit less precise when you're talking about someone elses time', but did 'ee listen? Did 'ee heck, ee I don't know..." There must have been some snag or hiccup. More news as soon as I get it.

'There must have been some snag or hiccup.' *jaws drop around abctales community* WHAT?! The well-oiled abc machine has faltered?

I've had two dreams about finding the new home page. In one there was a new 'pic' - a sort of cubist rendition of an office chair in various shades of orange and ochre... Pehaps 'twill always be but a dream (ooops - Shakespeare thread's obviously got to me!)

I know Tim, I hang my head in shame at this entirely new experience of technical problems.

Good question rokkit, where is that huge plane? (747, 757 yeah, one's enormous and the other's about the size of a mini metro, makes a big difference) not a lot of signs of it at the pentagon. speaking of dodgy physics you'd need to really stretch the basics to convince me that that plane hit that building. try these physics physics911.org no, let me guess, you have the American press, government and a general sense of all American goodness to back up your arguments dont you. well that's me convinced. greiving families you say? the world's full of them, and your point was? of course it's possible to lose a plane in America. of course a conspiracy is feasable, there are a whole bunch of websites and newspaper reports from some credible sources that flag up serious questions about that incident, so many that I won't go into it all now or put links up (as you can tell from above, I don't know how. I've tried to learn but the shape shifting lizards that run the world have put implants in me while I was asleep.. obviously!), you can find hundreds very easily and most will leave you with doubts about the validity of that crash. I have my doubts and I'm entitled to them without being labelled a moron or a heretic by Uncle Sam's diciples. I'm as intelligent, aware and 'experienced in aviation and crash investigation' as most people. I'm sure you have years of qulaified experience in these specific fields and will now list in a Cv post your credentials, I can't wait. You don't have to be Momma to know when the apple pie's gone off.

I agree that we should keep an open mind, Ely. Didn't a Frenchman write a best selling book on the subject? To change the subject: Rokkit, I think this is so Zen - If you could get rid of yourself just once, the secret of secrets would open to you. The face of the unknown, hidden beyond the universe - would appear on the mirror of your perception. ~ Rumi. I was amazed to discover it was inspired by Islam [%sig%]

Well, Brittania might rule the waves, but she certainly doesn't rule the internet...

We are clearly on techie time again. I was given an absolute assurance last ngith that all would now go ahead. But it hasn't. Said techie is now asleep but I will begin to harrass him again when he awakes after lunch. Ho Hum.

Just checked out your link, Ely. Much more compelling evidence than Denver's link! [%sig%]

Oh well, we'll get there in the end, eh? Hare and the tortoise and all that, eh what? Jolly good.

I have a conspiracy theory of my own, which is; the same people that made the plane disapear, made the abctales web site disapear...

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

It's a thought, jacques, but I'm certain, if that were the case, these threads would have been the first to go :o)

Walk on, waaaaalk on,with hope in your hearts................

Thats an interesting site... (I had heard though, that rather than a F-16 being the most likely thing to have in fact hit the pentagon, it was a delivery truck from Dunkin Donuts, bringing in several tonnes of light snacks for the occupiers.)

Mykle - your mind's so open, your brain fell out. And Ely - Christ on a bike: 'of course a conspiracy is feasable, there are a whole bunch of websites and newspaper reports from some credible sources that flag up serious questions about that incident'. A whole bunch of websites, eh? And some newspaper reports, too? Because if someone makes a Flash movie about the American government doing something untoward, it *must* be true, right? Because the current administration are bad, bad men, right? 'I have my doubts and I'm entitled to them without being labelled a moron or a heretic by Uncle Sam's diciples.' Which implies that anyone who doesn't view your doubts is one of 'Uncle Sam's disciples'. See, this is a great real-life demonstration of why conspiracy theories become so popular - they confirm people's prejudices about the world and make the world seem a more orderly, meaningful place. You're so overawed by your distrust of the US government that when someone poses a fairly straightforward logistical question like 'Why didn't the wings shear through the building?' (Answer: They're aluminium and full of fuel, so they likely combusted on impact, shattering into tiny fragments. A plane is mostly empty space with a lightweight frame - that's how it gets off the ground - and the 757 crashed into a huge, reinforced building built when Pearl Harbour had shown that long-distance air raids were viable, but before post-war commercial efficiency, when it became apparent that if the Soviets dropped a nuke, nothing would survive anyway) Insofar as motive goes, you seem satisfied with the supposition that they're all compulsive liars anyhow, and lying's what they do. It's worth coming to grips with a little tool called Occam's Razor. If it's a conspiracy you're hankering after, you don't need to propose that a missile from sources unknown struck the Pentagon - just think of the Bush administration, given adequate warning, sitting on their fat rears doing sweet FA, with certain elements looking forward to the huge political boost an attack would provide, perhaps in their arrogance not realising how big it would be. There you go. More prosiac, harder to put a kickass soundtrack too... but far more likely. If any o' them terrorists come near me I'll own their asses with a full-on Dharma Flaming Roundhouse! Om!

"one should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything" -you see what's happened, you draw your own conclusions. -you see what's happened, you wait for the government to explain it. I think I just spotted an unnecessary entity in this particular razor. motive? Well that's one way of looking at it, or maybe after a few seconds someone whispered in a little monkey's ear.. "err Mister president, as a PR excercise this could go badly and there ARE voters on board. We should really take over from here sir."