My James Bond Complex

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My James Bond Complex

If I were to flick back through the varied, wondrous and most tedious thoughts I had throughout my childhood and teenage years, I wonder if the most commonly occurring phrase would be, ‘I wish I was a man.’

I think it might be. (other than, 'Oh how I love I*** M*****' - he must remain anonymous in case he googles himself)

I have this thing - or at least used to, maybe I'm growing out of it - called The James Bond Complex.

In the James Bond movies there are always men dashing about doing interesting things, visiting interesting places, being witty, intelligent and debonair. I have always – even when very young – fancied being all of those things, but I realised that it was the man who got to be them. The women hung and clung about being thin and shimmery and lovely, waiting for James Bond to unzip them with his magnet watch and leave them languid amongst rumpled satin covers.

I'm sure my childhood was full of movies and TV that followed this same mould (The Jewel in the Nile, Indiana Jones, Star Wars, the list is endless)

As a child: I wanted to BE James Bond but realised fairly early on I never could be. I also knew I didn't want to be one of those Bond women either. They were ‘perfect’ women – sidelined, visually appealing, alluring – only sometimes allowed a little wit and only then usually a line like, ‘That’s what happens when you leave it to a man!’ or some other male-focused pretending-to-be-feminist comment.

I admired them because of the amount of time they put into their figures and their looks and their keeping quiet on important issues. Not because these were qualities I actually admired, but because they obviously had learnt the secret of being a successful woman in a Bond Movie. They had learnt how to shut up (unless it was one where there was an ultra masculine or aggressive woman who would either be a) ugly or b) uber-sexual.)

Yesterday I picked up a copy of Grazia magazine and was appalled at what counted as a magazine for a 'modern intelligent woman'. It was full of how to spend lots of money on clothes/make-up/shoes, how to stay thin, and the feature on the election was all about how fanciable the party leaders are.

Um, the point of this post is, do I have a chip on my shoulder, or is there a point somewhere in this? Why can't I let it lie?

(I'm all for dressing up and wearing make-up sometimes, but it's hardly even 1% of what I'm about or interested in....)

justyn_thyme
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fergal, I think you need to look at some films from before your time, such as those starring Katherine Hepburn. Now there's an example of a strong woman--both in her films and in her personal life. This notion that to be strong, a woman must be insane, murderous, obnoxious, or worse is nonsense. Even in the Bond films, the female characters in the earlier films had some moxy. Honor Blackman and Ursula Andress played strong self-reliant women. Of course, the Bond films are not intended to represent daily experience LOL. In the American workplace during the 1970s-1990s there was a very odd phenomenon: women looking for role models among the men in senior positions (as there might not have been women in those positions at the time) invariably chose to ape the behavior of the most obnoxious male manager they could find. Given a choice among 10 vice presidents, they always chose the biggest jerk of the bunch. This led to the 'bully broad' phenomenon, and many of them rose to quite high positions--where they now serve as role models for other women...until they are fired, like Carli Fiorinno. As for myself, I always rather wished I'd been born female. Not because of a sexual identity thing, but because in America women had so many more opportunities than men during most of my adult life.
Liana
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I heard once that you should write lists for your characters, putting down everything that they do, like to eat, shoe size, mums name, age they first had sex etc etc etc... that way, they take on a personality of their own, even if you don't use any of the information, you have built them into a whole actual person that you can easily produce dialogue for. Could be a load of tripe mind, as I don't write prose.
fergal
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I heard that once Liana, but the thing is I'd get so carried away doing that that I'd never write again. Hmmph. I forget how much I fancy Dougie Henshaw too, so that was a useful post if nothing else. I see your point Justyn. I'm a big fan of Katherine Hepburn films. I also love all the other films I mentioned... and I love Bette Davis films just because she is scarey. I agree with that... but sometimes murder - in literature at least - is about recreating the self, killing off bits that they don't like. My main character is possibly a murderer (well she's killed a dog by mistake, if that counts)... but I don't think she's a good role model. In fact I was only talking about role models from when I was a kid. Now I'm older I can pick and choose whoever I like as a role model. (I have just written a scene where my main character realises that the cape her uncle sent her just before she died was made out of the coat of the dog she killed and buried and didn't think anyone knew about. Writing is such fun).
Radiodenver
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Ohhh, dog killer....there's a desperado...I suppose she even bounced a check (cheque???) somewhere down the line buying hair products.
fergal
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She did it by mistake. She was trying to hide on the beach in the dark. It'll make sense when it's a best seller and made into a movie. *coughs and gets back to it*
Radiodenver
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Okay Ferg...all in a little fun.... Where exactly on a beach can you hide? Think I'll lay here...nope, over there...wait, I'll cover myself with sand...ooops, too close to the water.... *alright men, lets search the beach...that dog killer may be hiding in the sand down there by the ocean...disguised as driftwood.*
fergal
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ha ha ha... on a beach you have coves and rocks and caves and trees (you do, okay?), and you have bits of beaches that are in segments, and stones, and did I say rocks? and upturned boats, and when it's dark and only one person is looking for you, and that person doesn't really want to find you because they want to let you have some time to yourself, you can hide quite nicely. Well, in my book you can.
Dan
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I wrote myself into a story once, it went something along the lines of: Character #1 "Who's that berk in the x-men t-shirt?" Character #2 "Who cares. As I was saying..." I think I'd been reading too much Vonnegut
Radiodenver
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That's not a beach...that's a shipwreck off the coast of Newfoundland.
fergal
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ha ha. in my book the 'me' character is always talking about ideas and Hogarth. She is quite annoying to my main character who isn't interested in ideas or Hogarth at all. It is a beach radio. It's a very English beach with lots of pebbles on it.
Radiodenver
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I'm thinking Maui....sorry....
fatalky
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Mary Quant inventing the mini-skirt matters big time Jude. She's brought more pleasure to us men than - ummmmm - women.
fatalky
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I was in love with Susan Hayward when I was a kid. Now what an actor!
wanderin' walter.
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a man is having a conversation with God: man: why did you make women so beautiful? God: so you would fall in love with her. man: yeah, but why did you make her so stupid then? God: so she would fall in love with you. have i wandered off in to a world of my own? [%sig%]
justyn_thyme
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Georges Simenon claimed to have made extensive notes on locations and characters before beginning the actual novel. Sometimes the notes were longer than the book. At least that's what he claimed in his autobiography.
mississippi
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So what you're saying here is that 'god' is a woman?
kjheritage
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Slight chip, methinks...
jude
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There will never be the female equivalent of James Bond. As you said, going by the mags supposedly for modern women, today's successful female is epitomised in Ali McBeal. Yuck! It's either Ball busting office power-bitch, bra burning butch feminist J Rowling who Write Harry Potter is one of the highest earning women in the UK certainly most commercially successfull authoress and she takes delight in publically parading from an Anne Summers shop with bagfuls of the things they sell in Anne Aummers. A great display for the public front of woman kind? Not! I suppose Lara Croft and Tankgirl are about the nearest thing I have to I "I want to be like".
fergal
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I was just trying to start an interesting debate. (I really am interested in what sort of effect all these films had... and who the female role models were/are... I suppose it is a bit of a chip... but I don't blame anyone in particular... I don't blame 'men' that's for sure...don't you think it's even a wee bit interesting? Not a wee bit?) *Sigh.* Maybe I should just stick to making smug and sarcastic comments on other people's threads instead.
fergal
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Yeah and Tank Girl is hyper-sexual...(my last post was not aimed at you Jude).
smillieboy
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Fleming has a lot to answer for, but perhaps blaming him for how shallow 'women's' magazines are, is a littler harsh. Seriously though, I don't think you have a chip on your shoulder, but I do think you are fabulously bonkers.
fergal
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Oh, I'm not blaming fleming particularly... especially not for women's mags... I mean lots of them are made by women (and women do perpetrate this stuff). Thanks smillieboy - I think - fabulously bonkers. hmmmm *wonders off to consider what this means...*
smillieboy
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It was meant as a compliment! I'm just bonkers and just wish I was fabulously so.
fergal
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I took it as a compliment, don't you worry. One has to gather compliments where one may.
jude
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What does hyper sexual mean? Does it mean you "do it" really fast?
jude
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Have you ever thought there are not many famous female scientists. Ask anyone to name one and they'll come up with Marie Curie. And she was a total embarrasment by turning radioactive rocks into earrings. I know years ago women couldn't be scientists but they should be catching up now? Or is the "old boy" club in science still unpenetrable? why has a woman never invented anything. Steam engines, penicilan (sp?), the pill, heart transplants...all men. and Mary Quant inventing the mini skirt doesn't count.
Mark Brown
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It's a dead simple construction, the James Bond complex I reckon, reducible to: Men do / Women are Men become attractive through doing things, women are attractive because they are attractive This makes sense if you think that for the most part, the 'eye' of popular culture has been hetrosexual male. Men are invisible to other men until they do things that attract other men to them (blow things up, be noisy, ask them outside for a punch up in a car park), whereas the heteromale eye is always on the rove for a female form to rest on. It's what Susan Faludi refered to as the 'ornamental culture', the way in which the only power afforded to someone is their ability to appear attractive, desirable etc. As to whether you have a chip on your shoulder fergal, I dunno. Do you?
fergal
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Yeah that's what it is Mark. I suppose in film theory they go on about the 'male gaze' and stuff. I don't think I've got a chip on my shoulder about it - I am interested in talking about it though. But it doesn't affect the way I deal with people, and I don't *always* bring it up (just once a week, ha!)
Radiodenver
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Me thinks you've possibly been looking in the wrong place for role models. Women do things. Women are as strong as men. James Bond is nothing more than a fictional rationalization of masculinity. Of all the successful people in this world I've come across, I have more admiration for the successful women. (I suppose also, my concept of what successful is may be different as well)
fergal
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I'm paranoid now. Perhaps my snappy response is because I'm protesting too much.... I'm not sure I *don't* have lots of chips on my shoulders. (dipped in sour cream, obviously)
jude
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I see you as "Proper Man" RadioD! You gas "up your truck", have a beard and go fishing! All very real rugged man stuff
fergal
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I'm not saying women don't do things.... I was sort of talking of how I felt as a kid....you know... wanting to be Han Solo, or Face from the A Team (actually I wanted to be Hannibal)... I suppose I was talking about the 'imaginary' world of films, rather than reality. Women, throughout history, have done loads of things, they just haven't been written about as much as the wars and battles and political or courtly wrangles.
Radiodenver
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Well, women have some fastastic heros. Nurse Jane Fuzzy Wuzy. Wonder Woman. Maria Sklodowski One of my books has a heroic "older" woman as the main character. Now...what's a proper man? A beard, a truck, a fishing pole....C'mon Jude, that's an image created from limited information. If I could sum up what in my opinion makes a "proper man" it would be one word. Steady. A word I've never experienced until now and time's running low.
mississippi
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Surely Susan Hayward was a woman?
jude
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Margaret Thatcher! (who was incidently also a scientist although that's not what she's famous for)
fergal
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Hmmmmm
Radiodenver
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Hillary Clinton!
fergal
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Yes because Hilary Clinton appeared in loads of movies when I was growing up.
Radiodenver
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Hillary Clinton is the type of person that movies are made about though Ferg, think out of the box...
jude
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Supergran Anne Widdecombe Liana Hemmet
fergal
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*fergal steps out of the box* It's scary out here.
Radiodenver
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Don't step in the bird poop. So, Ferg...this begs a question....you are a good writer... Are you writing a strong woman character heroine figure. Something a movie could be made from, you have the ability to change the very thing you are bemoaning....Seriously.
wanderin' walter.
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well if you believe that it would take a woman to say something so profound and relevent, then yes, i can only agre with you......well done.(but you twisted my arm with your irrefutable argument)
fergal
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I know I do... that's the problem... that's why I keep stopping... I feel I've given myself a massive task... .grumble. I am writing a book at the moment and the main character is a strong woman, but she's also a murderer and paranoid and jealous... um.. you're right, of course, but I'm not even sure how to do that yet. One day I will. (I honestly wasn't bemoaning!)
Radiodenver
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So, this character...did you draw on somebody real or are you starting from scratch?
fergal
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ha... totally from scratch with a few personal experiences added in (like all writing - but not the murdering, jealous or paranoid bits.... just the woman bit)
Radiodenver
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When I write a main book character, I find a photograph of some actor or actress of roughly the same age and pin it to the wall. I then think of a person with roughly the same demeanor I wish to convey and form the basic personality and looks based on that. Then I start adding quirky personality traits little by little. I won't even begin writing the story until I have a complete set of characters with a total psychological/physical profile for each one. This is harder than writing the book. I've found that once I've invented a person, the character does most of the work while I'm writing. Just my way...
Liana
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Dunno about your shoulder Hayley, but Jude is about to get a chip out of her tooth.
mississippi
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Profound? Utterly self-obssessed I would say.
fergal
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I like that way... I actually have this bloke actor - Douglas Henshaw - in my head as the main male character, the uncle guy... the narrator in my head looks a bit like Beth Winslet and is akward, frowny but good at portraying that she feels all right... her girlfriend Ronnie is basically based on me - which is funny because I've never had an extra character based a bit on me before.. well, she looks like me and is interested in lots of the things I am...it's usually the main character...Er Hal is basically the boy I fancied all through school, um... Gwen is basically Gwyneth Paltrow. Okay that is a shallow oveview, but it was useful. That helped thanks Radio. That was of no interest to anyone but me. I shall cut and past that and save it somewhere.

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