Am I Being Overly Ambitious?

very good Dan and oh so true!

Missi, three two many. Doesnt that mean if you break one - you've failed at your goal? Just have one mate... Too much pressure, I'd say. Finish the book. Top priority. If your busy with your book you wont be in here so much. So with out realising it you'll have achieved all four. Logical to me.

But if I'm not here who will keep those below the salt in line? And I DO have a burning need to keep up the pressure on the retards in Ontario, not to mention the occasional side-swipe at the asylum. Then there's... Christ, do I REALLY wanna go making New Year resolutions? I can tell I'm gonna default before twelfth night.

Just for the record, can i say i find the notion that i can turn Missi on quite appalling and ridiculous...and i'm sure for once he'll agree with me on this.

Colin, I don't know why you feel obliged to hold an inquest on your previous post, can't you just accept that sometimes you get it wrong too? I've marked your essay and found some points I take issue with by the way. I DIDN'T leave over upsetting people, mainly female or otherwise, (I remember a squabble with the Toronto tart, I had a misunderstanding with Liana over the Pedestal of Doom and maybe I fell foul of Tanya, though I'm not sure about that). I left temporarily after receiving anonymous email threatening to come to my house, rape my terrorist and murder my kids. There is a world of difference between being overtly abusive and publishing private emails on a website. Yes I know that abuse can be upsetting, but at least it's one persons open and presumably honest opinion of another. Publishing email that the originator considered private is far worse in my book. Ok, I know nobody else is reading from my book, but not everyone is reading from yours either. The obituary remark was also meant to be humourous, and Hen was miffed that I said it before he did, though I suspect that I was going to be the object of his post. I guess I feel Dicko is fair game as he has been far worse than I have in the past and he has no affection for ABC at all, he only comes here to cause a row and I take his bait most times, (he said at one point that it was his intention to wreck the site, or words to that effect). The ironical thing is that all things being equal both of them WILL get to read my obit. By the way, Bob IS a troll. Yes I agree he's been mostly harmless, I guess my tolerance quotient for repetitive inanities is low. Alum is also harmless though I have a feeling he/she is Mykles understudy. To claim I'm 'sick' is ridiculous. Persistent? Yeah I guess I am sometimes. To infer that there IS such a thing as the 'mississippi' show is just as silly as suggesting there's a stormy show. We all contribute what we want and hope we get it right. Sometimes we don't.

I will pray for you missi..

wobble d deedee...hahaha..well it fits... fence sitter that I am in most of these matters :))

Umm.. where have you been 'wobbling' Shelagh?

Used the fake name on another thread, missi ...the one about lesbians in particular....plus, like most poets, I often see things from a very skewed perspective and greatly exaggerate the proportions of most ~ :))

Finish the book George. This is where your real talents are. That talent gets better everyday. You are a fine writer mate and I have alweays believed that. Cheers

1. I am going to try not to sin 2. I am going to stick to a Maximum of four alcoholic drinks in one sitting. 3. I will pass my diploma and start my candidacy with the Dominicans 4. I will combat my post - Patrick loneliness way too ambitious...yours seem far more realistic George

Go Jude!

Hahahah! I didn't get it wrong. I stand firmly by my first post... I simply felt I ought to explain why I posted in the way I did to you and Liana, that's all. Yeah, you have mentioned the theats thing before. If that had been me I would have a) put it in the forum and b) found out who did it - no email is truly anon. - as you well know. My comment was based upon your disappearance after your "whining bitch thread". >>Ok, I know nobody else is reading from my book, but not everyone is reading from yours either.<< Proof? The same people that email you to start antagonistic threads? heh. >>To infer that there IS such a thing as the 'mississippi' show is just as silly as suggesting there's a stormy show.<< er, that's what I said viz: >>But what we cannot do is allow it do become controlled by the Mississippi show. Or anyone else's for that matter. << You don't 'know' bob is a troll. It's your guess. To claim you are sick is not ridiculous on my part despite your attempts to cover it up as humour. I will, however, alter my phrasing to say your posts in that vein are sick. Now, you offered the olive branch by saying "fuck all of you" and I responded with my "fuck you too" and footie match suggestion. We can both leave it there or have a bout of internicene warfare. It's up to you. ps If Liana's mum is right, shouldn't we all be loving greco?

Well you can decide for yourself if mums theory is a good 'un Storms... it is something I try and adhere to, and always have. In Paul Greco's case, I always concentrated on his writing, which I feel is superb. This always surprised him I feel, though it certainly want an attempt to wrongfoot him. Sometimes I concentrated on his writing so hard my eyes bled with the effort of trying to make it block out his odious fourm persona. I have friends that I love dearly, who have some dreadful traits... if you concentrate on the dreadful rather than the good, is isnt healthy.

Agree with Liana. Everyone is capable of behaving dreadfully, we should try and deal with (thus encourage) the better behaviours that we come across. Though sometimes you have to take a stand, do not make it your lifes sole purpose to deal with the dreadful... it can work to your detriment. Often you see people who started out on one side in the end become tainted and thus indistinguishable from their enemies...

Missi. Remember your 5 commandments..

5: Stop calling the lovely flashy, a dummy, an idiot etc... and stop threatening to smack him on the lug or in the gob etc... 6: Kiss and make up with..Gr......perhaps that's pushing it a bit far.

There's one aspect of my character you seem to misunderstand, flashy. Many people get into personal rows and they blow over and become quite matey until the next time. In other words they don't really mean what they say in the long term. I however, tend to say what I think and stick to it. Dicko is a non-person as far as I'm concerned, an object of derision and entertainment. He couldn't redeem himself in my eyes even if he feel on a sword at my feet. He is a nasty evil sack of crap and it's set in stone. I wish him every bad fortune it's possible for a human to suffer, and then some.

Why?

Yeah, why? Missi, although you are sometimes humorous and thought provoking, your constant name-calling posts directed at PG and Hen are pathetic. Don't assume that because the majority of us here remain silent, we are in agreement ... it is mostly that we couldn't give a fuck either way which of you wins or loses. I've had battles with Paul in the past but some of what he says is true. I think it is a shame he resorts to see-through tactics and I thought his and Hen's campaign last year ill-judged but that doesn't mean he is a complete tosser ... even though I may have said so myself at times. You are in every thread, either disagreeing or being abusive or, as Tall Git said, mis-timing your comedy (by which I think he means "failing"). >>I wish him every bad fortune it's possible for a human to suffer, and then some.<< You are a sick man and you have got worse since being accepted by those on the 'inside' of abc. That kind of comment is up there with the infamous 'abortion' thread (nothing to do with you, as you have said many times) and is pathetic. Sorry, but something had to be said.

i am fed up with all the insults too ... so if you can have a resolution not to do them i think that is good ... i agree with storms ... wishing ill on someone isn't good whoever does it ... it doesn't reflect well on the ill wisher either

I'm not sure what "sick man since you have been accepted by those on the inside of abc" quite means... but... I will say that though I agree that name calling and constant slagging is not nice and makes many of us - and me feel uncomfortable, I dont feel that missi has quite the same agenda as Paul Greco, and latterly though not quite as maliciously (and I am saddened by this) Hen. I dont think Miss is spiteful or vindictive, though he can be vicious. I dont think that he has a hidden agenda - his agenda is out there for all to see. I dont think he is mean. I think these things DO apply to Paul however. Unlike Stormy, I *do* think that PG is a total tosser. He comes on with the express desire to 'bring down' abc... whatever his reasons. Missi fights because he cares aabout abc I guess, probably more than any of us. I dont think for one minute that Paul is ashamed by his behaviour... I DO think that Missi regrets his though, hence his resolution thread on this forum. Sadly, he gets overpowered by his anger when he is provoked, and he knows how I feel about this. Most people are silent, because they dont want the lash of anyones tongue I suppose. Most people don't even know what is going on... people don't understand about IP foggers, dont know what trolls are... dont care about any of this.

How does anyone decide who is profoundly vindictive and who is not the real thing, though? People do base this on what they *see*, even if they are wrong, I suppose(?) - and it's pretty hard to prove who is wrong or right, I think?

I usually stay pretty quiet on the LARGE arguments but still feel that there is room for all here.. including Greco. If he would post under his own name that would be a good start. Disagree with Liana on agendas.. his own agenda is only hidden to you because you don't know it/can't fathom it etc. There has to be a fair amount of acceptance there without getting bothered about WHAT he is trying to get at. And I am resolutely in that somewhat mystified camp.. perhaps the only difference being that I don't care very much what he's up to/what he means much of the time.. but am willing to leave him to it if he is happy with his chosen methods. I don't think he's necessarily vindictive.. but that may be because I haven't got anything particularly nasty from him in my inbox.. in fact he's always been pretty amenable. I've not always been exactly a savoury character on occasion.. I just hope that, likewise, people might give me the benefit of the doubt too. I think the most helpful thing is to be proactive on the forums.. instead of reacting so much it would be nice to see people just posting on things that interest them etc.. But the forums have always been flooded by complaints about certain members, the STATE of abc etc.. and there will always be a load of people who like to spend their time reacting to this kind of stuff.. which is fine. That's what comes with having a forum in which people have the freedom to say anything they want without having threads chopped at random. In some ways, whatever happens no one really wins.. if you don't comment on threadwars you are being aloof and haughty.. if you're joining in with the backbiting you're a nasty bastard. I'm not much of a fan of what George has to say at times (I agree pretty much with Colin's comments above) but I'm quite glad to leave him to it if that is the way in which he wants to behave.. sometimes I'll have a problem with it, sometimes I won't.. I guess I don't spend enough time on here to really keep up much of the time. Again, with Hen, ..I don't really agree with much of what he says (and can react badly on occasion) but can forgive him too because he posts links on occasion and at least HAS an opinion on some of the writing that gets posted here. I didn't think his treatment of Pioden was very nice a while back and am quite happy to say it outright.. but these are issues for him, he has a life and his own struggles to deal with.. I'm quite glad to let him get on with it. I'm also disappointed by the fact that Andrew Pack hasn't been very active recently as he always struck me as someone with good crit skills and a personable way about him. Ditto freda, whose been pretty much absent for a good long while. AND jay, although she's older and I don't have much in common with her sometimes ..I always thought she had/has a fairly steadying influence on proceedings too. I think perhaps the central issue is also to make way for new blood too.. the first step with this is usually the 'Discuss writing at ABCTales' ..there have been a few good chats on there recently so things are looking up. Still.. it would be cool for some of the older members to give links on anything that strikes them as interesting whenever they can. Neil, Liana, Mark, Tony, Drew and a few other members are excellent at this.. I've not checked anything out for a while so I'm pretty bad at the mo. I've also not been submitting things recently either.. and have even got so far as to consider asking Mark if he'd delete my stuff so that I can start afresh with some new pieces. If interesting things keep popping up in the last 100 (and people are not put off by the difficulties in getting them in the format they require.. I'm in this camp for the time being maybe) then all will be well at abc.. if not, then all the banter seems to descend a bit.. that's at least what I've noticed over the last few months. Liana is probably right though.. for much of the time abc seems to be the universe for those posting regularly but it also ISN'T for a majority of the time and most of those posting a few times in a month, I'm guessing.. don't really give a fuck about IP wotsits etc. I also don't think the few recent ructions here are really much to worry about considering past nuttinesses. All that said I wish George well on his resolutions and hope everyone has a very Merry Xmas! *wonders what prompted that* [%sig%]

Of those who participate regularly or even now and then on here it is clear, who dislikes who.... their reasons are their own and frankly I care neither way what their opinions of each other are, I make up my own mind based on my own interactions... What I can't understand is why they need to automatically disseminate their bile over and over again so publicly... it is as if their very identities are defined in relation to each other... at best for me its just tedious, at worst its nasty and overwhelms any of the other things that go on over here and one just feels like going away.... Its not even issue based anymore, or genuine disagreements on what someone on says... just childlike rantings of 'I hate you' whenever they encounter each other. Ok, Missi hates Greco and likewise, Hen and Missi so for fuck's sake just send each other private emails if you need to indulge yourselves in your passions... I for one am fed up of hearing this tedium. Good on you Missi if you really can give your part in this, you really can do better mate. Applies to Hen too...

Sorry to disagree Colin, but you may have got what you wanted to say right, but you got ME wrong. Glad to see my parting comment wasn't misunderstood though. I could get into deconstructing the differences between 'the Mississippi show' and 'infer that there IS such a thing as the 'mississippi' show', but I know if you apply yourself you're more than capable of working it out. I don't really feel inclined to get into anymore protracted disagreements until next year, I've had my fill for this one. It's 'internecine'. Wishing you and your family a happy Christmas. You old bastard.

I must admit that I am heartily fed up with the abuse and nonsense on the Forums of late. Let's try and have a little bit of peace and love around the place for a while - and let's have some laughs. Ely's magnificent enema thread is becoming a cult classic. The url is being passed around on a viral email (not started by us). I discovered this on Thursday night on the train home when a bloke I know asked me if I was anything to do with ABCtales. I said 'yes' and he told me that he'd been sent the url of the enema thread by a mate in the office - and it was doing the rounds. You see - we can achieve great things and be very funny if we want to be. Let's all amuse ourselves. Put it away now Stephen.

Fascinating article.... Missi's is more an ureconstructed 'Tit for Tat' strategy whereas Lianas Mum's if I may suggest is more the 'Pavlov' strategy... Which one are you? Latest science thinking in a complete turnaround from even a decade ago favours Liana's Mum.... but read more: .... and if you do get to the very end of it, it may tell you of something why, despite all, ABC forums in its current unmoderated form will continue to throw up the occasional gem which almost makes up for the dross...

I follow Liana's mum's view as shown by my post about Greco: "but that doesn't mean he is a complete tosser". Anyway, moving on, where is Mykle?

Oh well, some you win etc. Colin, if you and those that followed had applied a slightly different approach and maybe a little deeper thought to my last post, you would have realised that in spite of the fact that I don't really have a lot of time for dicko (or hen either for that matter), the wording was quite deliberate and meant to be slightly tongue in cheek relating to my initial resolution 2. I expected you to chuckle and say 'So that didn't last long then'. Perhaps I am a little obtuse at times, I suspect we all think others KNOW what we mean. Perhaps my judgement wasn't good. That's twice in as many days. >> ...the infamous 'abortion' thread (nothing to do with you, as you have said many times)... << You say that as if you don't believe me. Well whether you do or not is immaterial, it WASN'T me, though as I said at the time I didn't take on like the rest of you, I thought it was actually quite humorous. I also never assumed ANYBODY agreed with me in the long term and don't NEED agreement to feel justified in my views. If you look back over the threads of the last year or so I believe you'll see that I have been more a victim than either of them. I shall make a determined effort to fulfill the resolutions I listed. So as a last wild swing before 2 kicks in, fuck all of you.

I don't stand by anything bad I say about anyone, because I am always, always, always prepared to reassess. I'd rather find something good in someone I can't get on with than something to take the piss out of. If my abusive posts seem 'malicious' then, it's just because I have to have *something* effective in place of longterm hatred or contempt. What else other than maliciousness can serve as a counterweight to people who repeatedly claim that their negative feelings towards me are far deeper than anything I could feel towards anyone? I'm also a total reactionary. I get vicious when other people get vicious. If Missi makes good on his resolution to not slag people off, you won't find me slagging him off. I'm well aware that people's perceptions of 'who started it' are almost always opposed, so I'll make it clear I'm not claiming that. All I'm saying is that I only get deliberately offensive when I feel offended. This goes doubly for the Pioden incident where (feel free to skip this bit,) I made two attempts to apologise and make up, only for them to be rejected by a woman who was going to accept nothing less than total surrender to all her points of view, just because she had a degree in sociology or something, ad was on a moral crusade against me book. Anyway... without naming anyone, I'd say most of the people who've contributed to this thread have made posts in the past that have been vindictive, extremely midjudged, or at the very least deliberately exacerbated a bad situation. Part of what disinclines me to make any effort to stop myself, most of the time, is that I feel everyone else behaves the same way when they get into a fight. If I get into more fights than most, so what? As long as we all react the same way, no one has the moral highground over me, except those few who *don't* make any attacks themselves. That said, if Missi will make the effort, I have no excuse not to. And neither have you, Paul!

Hen, absolutely some of us in this thread have been guilty in the past of making mis-judged etc posts and will continue to do so but most have not done so constantly. Liana, you missed out some words when you quoted me. Doesn't matter ... just thought I'd be a pedant. My quoted remark refers to the difference between the early days when Mississippi upset a number of people (mainly female) which resulted in him leaving the site, his subsequent return and how he is now. I'm surprised you didn't understand that. With regard to the rest of your post, I never accused him of being vindictive nor did I defend greco's clear vindictiveness. I was pulling George up on my last point which has less to do with Greco & co than you perhaps realise. Fish got it in one. George, it may well have been an attempt at humour but, as you say, it back-fired for me. I'll explain: Since Greco came back and I outed him, you, he and Hen have been at each other like neutered cats. You may have noticed I didn't join whereas I did ride shotgun with you on the TW business and Whassernamewrites. I've also had plenty of pops over the years at various other tedious morons. What got me last night was a culmination of the following: I was catching up on w/e threads and several ended or consisted of you hurling insults at the usual suspects ... and others. Alumbloom came under fire as did bob roberts. Now, I have no idea who bob is ... could be stuart at home for all I know but what I do know is that he has been, and I quote the Hitchhikers Guide to the galaxy's description of Earth here, he is "mostly harmless" unlike certain other newbies that have, in the past, swamped the threads with lemmingade and mimi eye drivel. Yes, Bob was repetitive ... so is the fast show and dead ringers. Anyway, he made me chuckle a few times. he even tried to fire up a party as in the ones that fish and liana used to organise. No response apart from a few of us. Your response to his posts? "you are fucking boring" or words to that effect. A troll said similar a couple of days before (no, I'm not accusing you, I'm stating fact like I did with my remarks about the 'abortion' thread - I do believe it wasn't you). I then read your latest comment on the TW thread in which you said "I don't think it's illegal Liana, but certainly disgraceful manners" and I thought "hmmm". I came to this thread, ready to join in with some silly resolutions and, fuck me, Flash presses your on-switch and off you go again on the same old subject! Yes, it could have been funny had you chosen your words more wisely. it might have worked if you hadn't, two days earlier, said something to the effect of - I'll be happy when I read your obituary - towards Greo. Do you see where I am coming from here? I realise you want to be lively and I realise you get swamped with emails (I'd love to see copies) asking you to post contentious threads and I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is this constant 'big nose' 'monster cock' 'I hope you die' stuff that does, and will drive people away. If you are so fervant about this site as Liana claims you to be then surely you must realise that, as others say above, we need new people here all the time? Some will fit in others won't. But what we cannot do is allow it do become controlled by the Mississippi show. Or anyone else's for that matter. And, fuck you too! Right, World War One Xmas footie game anyone? Greco and Hun can be the Hens and Missi is in goal. I'll be the sniper in the trees waiting for the third light on Boxing morning.

My mum told me once that we can accept people DESPITE their faults, not because of them ... I find this to stand up well. Ah well.

Just a tad IMHO.

well I'm living up to MY resolutions early. I haven't sinned in 3 hours, since I *%!$* with a *&$"** of *!*