BADDIES

Glimpsed this afternoon on TV - the child cathcher in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang..... brrrrrrrrrrr........

rutger hauer in bladerunner ... mmmmmmmm ... actually i realise i like the baddies better than the goodies ... *signs up for some therapy*

Eric Roberts. He looks quite like a good mate of mine, but seems to play the baddie in every film he's in. Excellent baddie. There's another guy, but for the life of me I can't remember his name. It's James Something. Very distinctive looks and voice. Always plays the baddie. Even voices-over for the baddie in various Disney films. @!#$! What is his name?

James Earl Jones ? Very deep voice. Darth Vader and Mombassa in Lion King - also in Field of Dreams.

Oh yeah, female baddies... John Dahl has a clincher on that one... Joanna Whalley-Kilmer in Kill Me Again... Linda Fiorentino in The Last Seduction... And Brenda Bakke in Hitmen was also great!

No, that's not him. What's he been in? Let's think. He was in a film with Sly Stallone, where they were both hire killers, except Sly was the goodie hired assassin and James was the baddie hired assassin. He's been in loads of films, and is a great baddie. A very sarcastic tone to his voice that comes out as very threatening. Kind of a weasely looking bloke. Maybe his name's not James at all.

Robert Mitchum in Night of the Hunter. Mitchum is one of my favorites no matter what the role. Thunder Road, for example, is a classic of its kind. John Malkovich in just about anything. He is just plain creepy, not someone I would ever want to meet personally. Rutger Hauer in something called, I think, The Hitchhiker. Actually, Hauer in just about anything, he usually plays the bad guy. I must confess, I have no idea who alan rickman is. Which robin hood film was that? I saw Matrix but what I remember most about it was how much better it would have been with Robert Mitchum, Sean Connery, Errol Flynn, Leslie Howard, George Saunders, etc, as much younger men of course. I just had real difficulty taking those particular actors seriously in those roles.

...might be james olmos, Karl... Baddies...nice topic... Like James Mason as a baddie...and Basil Rathbone when he wasn't Sherlock Holmes....Robert Mitchum...yes...and Henry Fonda in Once upon a time in the West... I like it when actors act against type...i wish Jimmy Stewart had played more baddies...I'm sure he has but can't remember any films he was the baddie in.. ...oooh and Dennis Hopper...he is generally worth it as a baddie....

the matrix is an unusual choice for me... normally hate sci-fi with a few exceptions, and i'm not a big keanu fan. but as soon as i finish watching this film, i just feel ready to watch it again. hauer in bladerunner is a must... and the psycho out of dirty harry, i hate him so much... and j phoenix in gladiator "am i not merciful?" But andrew, getting willy wonka in there, how could you? sean bean makes a fine boromir in lord of the rings, borderline baddie... alan rickman steals harry potter with his suspected villany... peter capaldi in neverwhere as the angel islington... jack palance in tons of stuff...

oooooooh john malkovich ....

the curious thing is, ms fish, that alan rickman played the les liaisons dangereuses villain on stage with admirable hair, the very role which was nabbed by, curse him, malkovich sssssssssssssss what about mildred out of 'george & mildred', does she count as a baddie?

... come to think of it my relationship with baddies stretches WAY back ... can remember having mighty quivery frissons when i was young about those twirly mustached, caped, top hatted baddies who tied those helpless women to the railway tracks .... my ... this therapy is really helping ... and REALLY only £50 an hour?

fish, are YOU a baddy?

ME???? goodness ... certainly not ... anyone who knows me (eddie specifically) will testify that i am kind and caring in a life and soul of the party sort of a way ... *twirls mustache and swishes cloak*

The Joker ruled. And Lecter of course. I thought Carver in Tomorrow Never Dies was just shite - a real disappointment cos I love Bond films. He was just completely manufactured with dialogue that was trite, forced, shoe-horned in and badly delivered (eg - 'there's no news like bad news') Goldfinger though... now there was a great villain!

ouch! that was MY moustache, fish!

Sharon Stone, let's not forget. and who was it in Body Heat (the woman, not Hurt) I always thought of Bettie Davis as a baddie regardless of the role. Gert Frobe: Goldfinger

Karl, is it James Woods? Fits your description.

Aw, Mark, I was gonna say that. James Woods Karl. He was the bad guy in Hercules. Also very good in Casino. He's one of my "Gene Hackman" actors, in that everything he is in is lifted by his presence. He always improves the material.

As an expert on baddies [I'm the author of Peccadillo, available on this website] I'm surprised you've all let CHRISTOPHER WALKEN slip by. Although I've seen him in two or three movies as a good guy [The Deer Hunter and The Dead Zone, both excellent roles], he's the proverbial bad guy in movies like Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead [where he's paralyzed from the neck down and wants Andy Garcia to 'suck his dead dick'], True Romance [as Sicilian Don Vincenzo Coccotti who shoots Dennis Hopper for claiming Sicilians were 'spawned by niggers'], King of New York, Nick of Time, At Close Range, The Comfort of Strangers, Last Man Standing [Hickey, for whom everyone trembles].

what about the baddies in books? ... mrs. coulter in philip pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy is a spine chilling baddy of the WORST sort ... and why do baddies appeal SO much? why do we admire them? ... is it because they express our darkest capabilities? ... or act them out for us? ...

Thanks Mark and Andrew. It was James Woods. That's put my mind at rest. Robert de Niro always plays a superb lovable baddie. And how about that all time baddie, Margaret Thatcher in Prime Minister's Question Time?

subversion... the baddies get to break the rules, which is exactly what artists and writers must do to prevail, to challenge the conventions even to the extent of negating their predecessors' relevance in the here and now. i only just got up. i'll see later if this makes sense. *yawn

Ahhh, finally someone besides me mentions a female baddie, though I would have thought that Question Time is supposed to be more of a documentary than fiction... then again, what am I thinking??? When a politician speaks, fiction is the result, more or less by definition, especially if the question is from the opposition.

Christopher Lee in Lord of the Rings - he just looks eeeevil, with all that white hair. Never trust a person with white hair, that's my motto. And Darth Vader. I'll bet he could really whip Darth Maul's ass What about comic book baddies? Venom from Spider Man was a class act sociopath.

and Joan Crawford..what a fantastic baddie.....

the witch in the lion the witch and the wardrobe was an early influential female baddy for me ... and i think we like to see baddies get their come uppance because in real life they seem to get away with it ... tho the prospect of them paying their karmic debt is always a comfort to me ...

Christopher Walken a very fine baddie, particularly in Nick of Time, where he just keeps popping up and shoving his watch in Johnny Depp's face (which, in light of his speech in Pulp fiction, takes on a whole new aspect). For my money, Gandolfini is the better bad guy in True Romance, not that Walken isn't excellent, but you really do believe that Gandolfini would kill the highly lovely Patricia Arquette. Mrs Coulter is a fine literary baddie (but doesn't she sort of redeem herself in the end? Have to confess that bits of Amber Spyglass just completely zipped past me, found it hugely disappointing in comparison to the other two.)

joining this late but I have to agree, reluctantly of course, with fish. Alan Rickman is the ultimate bad guy. No one else gets anywhere near his aloof cold nastiness. He eats the old time bad guys for in between meal snacks. Who played agent smith dogstar? he was excellent. Alan Rickman is a cut above though although not as physical of course. But that is what makes rickman nastier.

Hugo Weaving

Apologies... My collective ex husbands appear to have taken over my pc and are posing as me everywhere.... still as Fish says, in the end, we get what we deserve.....

HEY! Get them off of my mac, this instant young lady! if you look at An Awfullly Big Adventure, the SIZE of Rickman when he makes love to the young girl is OUTRAGEOUS, i mean his hand is bigger than her head. That's just plain naughty...

and THAT was Rickman playing a GOODIE! Maybe it's time for some GOODIES appreciation... GOODIEEEEEEEEEEES.... Goodiegoodieyumyum

liana's ex husbands are pretty scary dontcha think ?

I'll say... *brrrr*

the chappie in kind hearts and coronets... is it dennis price? kind of like the narrator in Banville's Book of Evidence. & TERRY THOMAS! what a CAD! and a BOUNDER! a baddy with a bit of class. and PETER SELLERS in Lolita among other things. MISS JEAN BRODIE, the creme de la creme of female baddies... all woman are BAD of course.

*slithers in sighing after having fill of alan rickman with german accent in Die Hard*

I can't remember the name. Blonde hair, funny voice. Bad shoes. Very bad shoes. Erm. Mad, mad stary eyes. Um. Deal with Satan. Oh, damn. Prime minister for my formative years. Should know, really should....

Clarence Bodicker in Robocop. "Can you flaah Babby?" Rocks. Now the dad in 'That 70s Show'. Disturbing.

Sporting a chic handbag, perhaps?

yes. yes. but in the wrong place...

Male or female?

I love that guy too "One of these lives has a future. The other........... does not. " None of the Bond villains come up to proof though the media mogul one in Tomorrow Never Dies (Jonathan Pryce?) deserved a good slap and was probably closer to the real villains of the world. Gary Busey in Lethal Weapon - "Mister Joshua", he has that sort of grin that gives you the horrors and the bit with the cigarette lighter, yuck. Andi MacDowell in everything she's ever been in (even when she should be the love-interest). Actually, I don't love to hate her, I just hate her. Gene Wilder in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - I know he turns out okay in the end, but he is torturing those children, and the bit where he goes "You STOLE fizzy lifting lemonade - you GET NOTHING" is a brilliant addition to the book, really showing Wonka's cruel streak and is something of a catchphrase in my house. Ian McKellen in X-men - one of the few times Hollywood allows the bad guy to actually have a valid viewpoint. And tough not to have Alan Rickman's Hans Gruber down in a list of bad guys - very charismatic performance. Uncle Junior in series one of the Sopranos, how can a sixty-five year old be so frightening ? Every second he's on screen I'm transported back to a kid watching Dr Who. The character who does the murders in Ten Little Indians.

Not in a film but good old Nick Cotton is a hard one to beat for me as I grew up with so many people like him.

alan rickman WHENEVER he is bad ... he is the stuff of many a marvellous quiver ... when he was bad in robin hood ... eeeeeek ....