I hide my face... no more by liquid promise

Oh, okay, now I see... Cathartic is not a scary word afterall. In that case, yes, Nancy it definately has its healing properties, but any situation as this one, takes time to heal, and most wounds of this nature never heal completely, but hey, it's a start, and that is all that seems to count for me; it's working, and I am still surviving. Thank you. Lauren

Didnt I tell you in my email what I thought of this site, liquid promise. You would be better to find a forum where the members are a bit more professional and less pathetic. You need someone who will offer "constuctive criticism" rather than the pathetic banter which is offered on ABC tales by some of its members.

missmarple.. i'm not sure who your comment is directed at.. but i've been at abctales for about 5 years now and if anything it is the people at this site who gave me more confidence in my writing and pushed me to want to improve myself as a writer.. because of their so-called "pathetic banter" i think it's pretty sad that you condemn an entire site because of what "some of its members" might have said that offended you.

*puffing on pipe* Professor Bob: Hmmm...interesting...Hmmm...perhaps miss marple would like to bring her portfolio of creative writing into my office where I, along with Professors Jasper and ritawrites, will be only too pleased to offer some constructive criticism...*puff-puff, looks at watch*...goodness, is it din-din time already ? *opens lunch box, tucks in to cold Old Pigweed pie and chips*

You now how I feel about you, LP. The past has been and gone, and you are here and now: that is all that matters! You have more courage and soul than most will ever dare or realise! Catharsis is a Freudian term btw.........The Father of Psychoanalytic Theory. A very good and decent man who has been strung up by Marxist and Utilitarian idiots alike, looking to make us all automaton in their personal crusades. Marx was German idealist, who lost three children to poverty after speaking out against the aristocracy btw: He wrote a piece called ?The Communist Manifesto?, but sadly, it and he were abused and misconstrued...just like Freud! Word definitions are very fuzzy nowadays......and Catharsis has, in fact, become a dichotomous word within itself......just like Justice..... and I am sure you know I mean here! But then the motion of Law, from what was is or was a notion in writing, will always become a practise of contradiction! Humans can even help themselves at times. And they may call them ethics, but they are not the same as virtues....not even close btw! Butter can never become Steel.....but sand becomes glass? And education...who cares.....I am just like you btw: and I too taught myself what little I know. And my philosophy on learning is, ?If it feels, it learns.... But conscience remains humanity?s only pure genius?! It may also surprise you to discover that greatest books of all time were written by persons with very little, if any, formal education! Take ?The Little Prince? for example: written and illustrated by an almost illiterate French pilot named Antoine De Saint-Exupery, after being shot down in the desert during WW11. He wrote it thinking he?d perish there btw. And it, in my humble opinion, is by far the most amazing piece of phantasmagorically emotive literature ever penned to paper.....and nothing has, nor ever will, come close to it! Have a read.....you?ll see what I mean!

Depends. When I read poems which are expressing a lot of pain I'm not convinced the author's looking for "constructive criticism", more for affirmation that someone appreciates or identifies with what they've written, and we have to be sensitive and not trample on their dreams, as the header to the forum suggests. An experienced writer develops a much thicker hide and can be told bluntly when their writing's not up to scratch (although it still should be done nicely and not in Rita's style) as well as getting plaudits when it is; being on the site a while helps you to identify who will appreciate that and who won't. I'd go along with what Tony says about LiquidPromise's writing (always safe to agree with a site editor!) - whilst it's good and moving it's not the kind of thing I want to read a lot of, maybe because I'm flippant and prefer funny stuff, that's just me.

*mouth filled with Old Pigweed pie...nods in agreement with all of above...scratches thick hide*

I DID submit my work, but recently deleted all as I found the comments towards other writer's quite childish. Such as those from the Rita fanclub. I myself am not bothered about the comments about my work, its just that I would prefer a bit more professionalism. Well, what more can I expect from amateurs such as Ritawrites

missmarple - that is your choice. Most of us find that the supportive and instructive atmosphere on this forum has helped us as writers. The comments can be very instructive indeed - you just have to learn to ignore rita!

Dearest silly little Rita. What you seem to miss in life, is that your form of pathological helplessness empowers even the garden slugs to take control of your emotions. It's simply mind over matter, darling.....so keep searching as I'm sure have one....... somewhere?

*puff-puffing on pipe* Professor Bob: Hmmm...an interesting deconstructionialist approach by Professor ritawrites...Hmmm...the almost gothic image of the pigweed "stinking the place up" worked well, I thought...and Professor ritawrites' close analytical skills are highlighted in the phrase "u are a crap writer"...refreshingly to the point...a kind of guerilla literary criticism, if I may be so bold...Hmmm...and the spurting of the "beown [sic] stream of pigweed" she's allegedly been chewing on dovetails most interestingly with the dramatically child-like exit line of "tatabyebye" ...which in turn segues into the image of abctalers "pining" - nay "crawling" - after Professor rita...as if yearning to be gratified...gratified sexually ?...Hmmm, I wonder...the image of sexual domination is overwhelming...Hmmm...interesting...is Professor rita getting enough, I wonder ?...Hmmm...sex...Hmmm...humpety-hump...Hmmm...a fountain of spurting pigweed...Hmmm... *looks at watch* Goodness! is it snack-snack time already ? *pulls out thermos and lunch box, bites into succulent bacon & mango pigweed chutney sarnie*

Lauren, please ignore rita. She just comes along and rubbishes everyone. I'm sorry for her behaviour. I agree with nancy to an extent on this poem. Try reading some of nancy's work to see real touch and delicacy of tone. What I liked about your poem was its rawness and its honesty. I felt for you and understood your emotion. I think you need to work and work and work at it though. I dare say that will help you to work at the undoubtedly hurtful feelings you hold. Try and make your pain and your yearning plain. It's there, you have real talent. But poetry is not easy - it needs draft after draft after draft. That's why ABc is here - to help you through that process within a supportive community (rita aside). All the very best.

I will ignore her, because that is just plain sick that somebody like that would even think that I or someone else would write such a piece to gain some form of respect or fame from it, it is very sickening... One loses thier identity and self respect and self-esteem when violated to this magnitude as such by a rapist, and now poor Rita wishes to rape me again through false imaginative accusations? Well, my only response it this... I beat my rapist, my abusers, and now I shall beat her attemptts as well. If I learned anything from my experiences, it's that I am a good and decent person, and unfortunately, I can't say the same for little miss Rita. THANK YOU all for your support. Lauren

Hi Tony. I noticed you have the direct link to the original post up for this poem, and thought you wouldn't mind if I post the new link to its repost of this write? I hope this is the right link, anyways... Thank you, Lauren http://www.abctales.com/Members/LiquidPromise1/why/rape/view?searchterm=...

just put a < and > at either end... [%sig%]

Oh okay. Thank you, dear Martin.

yes it does!

while i think it must have been very cathartic to write.. and definitely has its effective moments.. over all in terms of actual quality of the poem (subject matter aside).. i'm not entirely convinced.. and the exclamation marks seemed a bit excessive... i don't know.. i feel insensitive saying this because of the topic.. but i just don't see what you see Tony..

Hey Tony The precious lady whom writes these works is a very extraordinary soul! Would you believe was chastised and ridiculed at a site for simply being honest and very helpful to new members? Anyone thinking of joining Brainmeta.com..... take my advise and don't! They claim to be Abolitionists........and are linked to John Hopkins University (The institutional stealth machine which designs J.W. and White House Supremacist policy) .....Utilitarian technosapiens is a far more correct description! Anyway....I think Demonology 101 is a very amazing piece.....The Narrative is so para-conductive of many emotional quandries.....Steven King would drown in drewl over that one!

Hey Nancy This a critique board is it not? And I am sure this precious lady adores constructive criticism....so don't feel insensitive as we all need critics, or we'd achieve nothing but narcissism...yes......cool? Now while I agree with you on one level, Form and Syntax, to me, is also a mindset linked to Psychological/analytic conventions.....Have you heard Chinese Opera.....like rusty nails being shot into your eardrums.....eeerrrrggg! I mean proper English (whatever that really is), seems to be the only discipline I know of without a Phenomenological branch....Even Merlot Ponty and Freud would have loved each others work in Vienna Circles.....But then Wittgenstein and David Hume would have lost the plot completely and tried to cut each others throats out with wet tissue paper in the Men's Room...YES! And sometimes, Catharsis is more times than not a manifestation of the reader, rather than the mindset of the author......it?s a well known fact, btw? But this Art, and it imitates life...or at least I was told it did? Hmmm....Maybe someone should have told Van Gough to stop purging himself like Jack The Ripper across the canvas...or Monet and Renoir to stop seeing those insatiable spotty coloured moths? And good old William Shakespeare....hmmm.....a female btw...Alas to be, or maybe be something otherly? How about we just mono it ?Ontological Poetry? and engage its opinion from within, instead of from the Teleological propriety of without? And if that fails I?ll throw in a few bob to purchase you a ride on the Electro Neural Stimulation Device at J Hopkins University which, along with a few injections, will faithfully reproduce everything you might be missing about rape? And I am not being nasty here either, I promise, but concepts are individual constructs and hence both narrative and syntax values will always differ from person to person! That?s my opinion and I adore all poetry...no matter...it is always constructive!