Morrissey

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Fri, 2004-05-14 23:34

Morrissey

I've just watched him on Jonathon Ross... and I have to say, although I have never been a Morrissey fan, I have never felt quite so staggered at someones dickheadedness... and if anyone is thinking of buying his new album (due out on monday) - dont... dont dont dont. Its like a parody.. it's dire.
Witness the fabulous lyrics to "America You are not the World"...

America your head's too big, Because America, Your belly's too big
And I love you, I just wish you'd stay where you is

In America, The land of the free, they said, And of opportunity, In a just and a truthful way
But where the president, Is never black, female or gay, And until that day
You've got nothing to say to me, To help me believe

In America, It brought you the hamburger, Well America you know where, You can shove your hamburger
And don't you wonder, Why in Estonia they say, Hey you, Big fat pig
You fat pig, You fat pig.

Wtf?

... and in interview, he is a humourless, patronising, sad old man with a ridiculous haircut... even on the Jonathon Ross show, where the competition for that title is stiff to say the least.

Sun, 2004-05-16 16:34

david floyd

"but also hes unfortunately unpleasant, dismissive, uncharismatic." I don't think anyone would argue with the first two but "uncharismatic"? Moz is the most charistmatic figure in indie/pop music in my lifetime. Obviously there hasn't been very much competition and it's not saying much to be able to put 'more charismatic than Damon Albarn and Liam Gallagher' on your CV but whether you like Moz or not, it's difficult to argue that he doesn't inspire devotion.

Sun, 2004-05-16 16:37

Liana

Maybe im a little more stringent when it comes to measuring charisma

Sun, 2004-05-16 16:40

marc

That doesn't win me over flash boy. Okay, but as I would simply rather do anything than finish the atrocious article I'm doing today I shall go to a Smiths song website and as the Great Suprendo would say: Peef, paff, poof - & voila Now these lyrics show some class: I am the son and the heir of a shyness that is criminally vulgar I am the son and the heir of nothing in particular You shut your mouth how can you say I go about things the wrong way I am human and I need to be loved just like everybody else does There's a club if you'd like to go you could meet somebody who really loves you so you go, and you stand on your own and you leave on your own and you go home, and you cry and you want to die

Sun, 2004-05-16 16:41

Mark Yelland-Brown

Morrissey inspiring devotion, after seeing him interviewed that's strange but on reflection the fact he was on the J Ross show was very strange as well. He seems very `serious` and Ross is a classroom clown, I know he was plugging his album but I defy any `serious` person to look credible being interviewed by that plonka. Even if he is `funny`, I don't actually like the bits he makes me laugh from, bla bla!

Sun, 2004-05-16 16:43

Flash

You have to imagine Johhny Marr's raging guitar when reading the lyrics.

Sun, 2004-05-16 16:47

marc

*imagines* Question: How come Mozza's never sung about security guards in Marks & Spencer? Have you ever noticed how those guys dress like south american cops with their peaked hats and brown trousers and light brown, multi pocket shirts? You know, it's only a Marks and Sparks. [%sig%]

Sun, 2004-05-16 16:49

Liana

Yeah but their £14 knickers are worth a kings ransom. I guard mine.

Sun, 2004-05-16 16:52

Flash

how can you afford 14 knicker knickers?

Sun, 2004-05-16 16:55

#10

Liana

I cant afford not to have them.

Sun, 2004-05-16 16:57

#11

Mark Yelland-Brown

Mind you it is getting warmer, my boxer shorts are refreshingly baggy but they can ride up a bit, and you can't always tuck your shirt in them.

Sun, 2004-05-16 17:01

#12

Tara

Morrissey is over-rated for sure, a genius in his own mind. Some of his lyrics are very good (others terrible), but I don't think he would have made it without Johnny Marr. Even so, he is an antidote to the pop puppets of today. I enjoyed the Ross interview.

Sun, 2004-05-16 17:20

#13

marc

I like pop puppets. The more the better. They make me feel morally superior and I'm one of those people who likes to look down on others. 14 quid for a pair of pants. That is decadent and does suggest a need for south american style security guards. Although I learned the value of quality underwear after I had some calvin type boxers bought for me that were way too small and clung to me like clingfim - the overall look was perverse, if not outright obscene, but strangely pleasurable too... [%sig%]

Sun, 2004-05-16 18:04

#14

Emma

They were probably purchased at Netto, who flog 'em for next to nothing a few times a year. Sorry to smash any illusions, Marc. Liana, I am entirely in sympathy with your need for expensive underwear, I mean, nothing else holds it all in like M&S. Have you tried the tights drenched in essential oils?

Sun, 2004-05-16 18:07

#15

Flash

I know a lady poet whp doesn't wear underwear.

Fri, 2004-05-21 12:00

#16

mississippi

Everyone has the chance to make their own minds up about the bad hair-do guy tonight. He's on Jools Holland performing stuff from his new album.

Sun, 2004-05-16 18:10

#17

Liana

i dont do tights emma... even when they are drenched in oils. Brrrr.

Sun, 2004-05-16 18:16

#18

marc

Without lowering the tone, erm, how'd you know that Flash?

Sun, 2004-05-16 18:25

#19

Flash

Another lady poet wrote a journal entry about her knickers having a mind of their own and going missing, this was on another site......interesting convo on knickers followed in the comments section including the confession from the knickerless poet.

Sun, 2004-05-16 18:40

#20

marc

A curious claim to fame, to be sure.

Sun, 2004-05-16 18:56

#21

mississippi

I also know a poet who doesn't wear knickers, not the same poet though.

Sun, 2004-05-16 19:02

#22

Flash

It might be the same cos you know this one as well.

Sun, 2004-05-16 19:02

#23

marc

I was just wondering, does it help the writing? I might give it a whirl. I'll see whether there's a difference between the pant wearing prose and the prose written in flagrante. Maybe it could be an ABC project. Make a note when posting - this was written when I wasn't wea.... [%sig%]

Sun, 2004-05-16 19:05

#24

Flash

This conversation is pants.

Sun, 2004-05-16 19:06

#25

mississippi

No Flashy, I can assure you that the one I'm referring to is definitely not the one you know, you were never mentioned over breakfast.

Sun, 2004-05-16 19:07

#26

fish

why cant you afford not to wear them? what do they DO?

Sun, 2004-05-16 19:10

#27

Flash

Then you know at least two knickerless poets.

Sun, 2004-05-16 19:12

#28

Flash

Good question.

Mon, 2004-05-17 00:03

#29

jude

will be watching him at /reading fest

Mon, 2004-05-17 00:11

#30

Flash

The importance of being Morrissey 1:45 am channel4 this morning don't miss it.

Mon, 2004-05-17 00:25

#31

stormy

I was forced into watching his interview last night by a Smiths fan. I was pleased to see mozza is, like his lyrics, assinine.

Fri, 2004-05-21 14:31

#32

donignacio

Midge Ure was on Ultravox! I've listened to the "America is not the world" song, and I think it sounds pretty good. The lyrics don't sound as bad when put to the music.

Wed, 2004-05-19 07:26

#33

justyn_thyme

Never heard of Midge Ure either, but that sounds like a trick question. Of course, as Tony pointed out on the other thread "famous here famous everywhere" doesn't work in all cases.

Fri, 2004-05-14 23:43

#34

Emma

I forgot to watch Ross tonight, now I'm glad I didn't bother...been reading the End of Story stories. However, if I don't get a proper nights kip tonight I'm going to be feeling weirder than ever tomorrow, I'm already knocking on the doors of the parallel universe... *blames Andrew's piece for that* more than the moon will be missing from my world...

Fri, 2004-05-14 23:44

#35

stormy

There you go mykle. Morrissey says America is a big fat piog. Now you can quote that as a 'fact'

Fri, 2004-05-14 23:47

#36

stormy

pig, even.

Fri, 2004-05-14 23:50

#37

Mykle

America is a big fat piog? Colin, when I do quote I try to get it right and also relevant if possible.

Fri, 2004-05-14 23:56

#38

Verb Atim

America your head's too biog, Because America, Your belly's too biog And I love you, I just wish you'd stay where you is In America, The land of the free, they said, And of opossumtunity, In a just and a truthful way But where the president, Is never black, female or gay, And until that day You've got nothing to say to me, To help me believe In America, It brought you the hamburger, Well America you know where, You can shove your hamburger And don't you wonder, Why in Estonia they say, Hey you, Big fat piog You fat piog, You fat piog. [%sig%]

Fri, 2004-05-14 23:58

#39

Flash

And his sister Morrisseyette is bloody awful too.

Sat, 2004-05-15 00:01

#40

stormy

hahahah glad I ciorrected myself befiore you pioss-takers piosted winkers

Sat, 2004-05-15 00:04

#41

Verb Atim

wuz jest tryin to konfuse Mikyle

Sat, 2004-05-15 00:07

#42

stormy

I wish someone would take the mikyle

Mon, 2004-05-17 15:37

#43

Ralph

I love Mozzer, still a fine songwriter and nutter all rolled into one. Now the hateful Morrisette woman has released an album also. I heard a few tracks the other day and it made me feel ill. She is the most pretentious, thick and self deluded singer/sonwriter that I have heard. Such a troubled little privilidged life. Isn't that ironic? Ralph

Mon, 2004-05-17 16:22

#44

Liana

lololololol no bite

Mon, 2004-05-17 16:33

#45

andrew pack

I was actually a little shocked to realise the other day that it has been 10 years since he released anything halfway decent - the patchy, but passable Vauxhall and I, and probably a good six years before that when he was really good. As Sick Boy says in Trainspotting, the whole of art is about having it, then losing it. Shame, although I think it's more than a little sad when fans cling too much to the past and inflate 'this music was important to me' into 'therefore this music is the best music that ever existed'. At their best, the Smiths had much more of a sense of humour and style than the miserabalist tag would have you believe, but there was some bad sixth-form poetry as well. (It's death for no reason and death for no reason is murder - for example) I suspect that it is this element that makes Liana mad as some geese - the bloke himself is washed-up and occasionally misguided, but he's not worth hating.

Mon, 2004-05-17 16:42

#46

Liana

I dont hate him at all... I just dont buy into the myth is all... I think as a poet he's bad. As a political pontificator he's dire.. and as a style icon he makes me snigger. At least alanis has a new haircut. *grins*

Mon, 2004-05-17 17:04

#47

mississippi

Alanis obviously turned down the chance of a Bumsbury gig!

Mon, 2004-05-17 17:11

#48

marc

Would anyone over the age of sixteen say Mozza's a poet though? He's a singer with a few decent lyrics in his back pocket, and at his brief best he had a top quality guitarist pushing the show along. Probably the only guy who comes close to getting away with the singer / poet malarky is Mister Cohen. [%sig%]

Sat, 2004-05-15 02:14

#49

donignacio

I didn't know they said that in Estonia. And they'd have to have fairly loud voices, because Estonia is a long way away, and we can't hear them very well.

Mon, 2004-05-17 17:14

#50

mississippi

I beg your pardon Marc, you haven't heard of Robert Alan Zimmerman? Shame on you.

Mon, 2004-05-17 17:18

#51

Ralph

Actually George and Liana we turned her down. She is playing the tawdry Bush Hall instead. It would have been awful to have her here. The angst of it all, not to mention the incense infested dressing room. Not a Bloomsbury act in any way. Now, thje Divine Comedy who play here in a few weeks are an entirley diffrent matter. They even put Mozzer in the shade. Cheers

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