For what it is worth.

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For what it is worth.

A rant!

My apologies to anyone offended by my opinions, but I’m a man of free will and a writer and by God, I’m going to say what’s on my mind.

I’ve been preoccupied for the past week or so and am now venturing back, and what I see happening here is very sad.

ABCTales, 6-8 months ago was one of the first really good international writers sites I’d come across in a long time. Someone could post a story, get a bit of constructive feedback and didn’t have to wait for ages for that feedback. The forums were lively, with very little twaddle and what did exist was limited to a few “regulars” and wasn’t too distracting.

I came to ABCTales because I’m a writer and I wanted to broaden my horizons. I have no delusions of grandeur, I just wanted to see how my style and substance went over in a different environment…England..for the most part. I learned a great deal in the first few months about writing for “other audiences.” Most of the users welcomed me and I felt like I was accepted on the whole.

What I see now disgusts me. This is the fault of the folks running the site. Sorry Tony, I have nothing but respect for you and Mark and everyone involved with ABCTales. I know it’s difficult and time consuming, but still, you’ve lost the edge boys.

I think the upgrade is where the problem originated. Or so it seems to me.

Poorly planned and poorly executed. I suppose the idea was to solve the nagging problems the old site was having and give a fresh look and feel and so on…whatever… A professional job it wasn’t. It was amateurish and sloppy and there is no reason to be proud of the work done as a result. It killed the writing and not for just a few days, but for months. The resulting “upgrade” is a downgrade from this writer’s standpoint. The new format relegates about 1/3 of a screen width for writing; the rest is wasted space and twaddle, wrapped around small, newspaper column size allocations. This new format is fine for 50 word poems, but for somebody who wants to write 2000-5000 word stories, it’s a nightmare and makes for exceptionally bad reading and formatting. The new editor system isn’t user friendly and creates more problems than it solves. In short, it’s crap. No professional publishing outfit would dare present a writers work in such poorly formatted form. I’ve tried to post 2 stories in the past few days, only to find it exceedingly frustrating to achieve a usable, readable result. I’ve given up. When I have to spend more time playing with the formatting of a simple 1200 word story than it took me to write it, time to do something else.

Now, even if the editor system was worth a nickel, there’s another problem. The writer’s forums have degenerated into a blisteringly boring string of ceaseless irrelevancy. I look at the names of people writing poetry and stories and I can’t find very many of them involved in the forums, unless on the rare occasion one of their works gets flagged by somebody other than the normal drivellers, then it’s usually a quick thanks and off they go.

Writers works look like pooh, most writers aren’t involved in discussion, the forums are overrun with senseless bickering and dominated by the few people that seem to be doing the least writing.

What you have here is Anarchy. This isn’t a place to write. It’s a public toilet.

hitch
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I fucked off, as you kindly suggested, radio_d. And a fine time I had of it. I can only invite you to do likewise. It would be churlish of me not to. Is that meaningful enough for you? [%sig%]
Paul
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Goodness me!
mississippi
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I doubt that.
radiodenver
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Hitch, Since you're open to taking my suggestions...try staying "fucked off".
John
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Can i be fucked off to?
radiodenver
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No, you're a good fellow. Unless of course, you want to, then by all means, help yourself, but don't blame the result on me.
John
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Dam it radio, your no fun!
hitch
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Fucked off is far too nice a place. Too good for the likes of you and me. More suggestions please! [%sig%]
radiodenver
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Naaa, that's about all I can offer you pal.
hitch
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You're no fun at all.
John
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Psss.. *Call him a nerd*
Emma
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Fortunately, in the vast effluent of time, the crap will be forgotten. Some of the writing on here is outstanding and extremely affecting/memorable. That's what will stand the test of time. Time-wasters are exactly that, only it's their own time they are squandering, so pity them and ignore them.
Mark Brown
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How , why divvent yee aal stop fighting an just try te get alang ?
John
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So yha dinny cen what ah wez ernly bein joval? Well let me tell yha summat jimmy, iv nay got a bad bone in ma body an a diny tyek kindly te sugetion tat a dyah . Ok bigyin? *This is great for a dyslexic, who could tell the difference*?
Hen
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Hmm. Every time people complain about ABC, someone - usually Missi - asks, "So why do you bother coming back here?" The implied answer being: because all the things you say are bad are actually.... ace! I don't accept this, and I don't accept that this is the most 'vibrant, honest and open community around'. But the fact that people remain, or hang around, even while everything is frustrating, demonstrates that there's *something* worth hanging onto. Don't know about anyone else, but I'm here in spite of the lunacy, not because of it.
mississippi
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That's not an answer at all, you're here because you can't deal with not being here. 'usually missi'? The implication is that missi asks the question on the majority of occasions that it's asked. I doubt it.
Jason P
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>It's actually lack of money, rd.< Actually that's a crock! the site engine is FREE from here: http://www.plone.org/ the forum is FREE from here: http://www.phorum.net and the hosting can't be a vast fortune can it? The real problem is TIME and expertise. The engine that now runs abc is an open source: From plone.org "Plone is an out-of-the-box ready content management system that is built on the powerful and free Zope Application server. It requires minimal effort to set up, is deeply flexible, and provides you with a system for managing web content that is ideal for project groups, communities and intranets." It may be flexible but it sure as hell ain't designed for a writers community. >we are still the most vibrant, open and honest writing site on the net < So vibrant now equals anarchy, open equals never holding back on the insults and honest equals saying exactly what's in your head and the hell with any real life tact. It is patenty obvious that abc's philosopy IS NOT working. ABC is now cyberspace's Iraq. It's a bombed out shell and a free-for-all.
Hen
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"you're here because you can't deal with not being here...." Hmm. I'll let your ingenious explanation speak for itself.
mississippi
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So why don't you just fuck off then?
radiodenver
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Personally, I think this is all better then television. somebody yell at me so I can call them a nerd!
...
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Yyyyyyyyeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllll!
John
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Shut up you daft little man! Call away radio..
mississippi
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That's the most intelligent thing dicko has said in over a year.
...
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because I wanna be a pain in the arse just like you. Oh! and thank you mississippi for proving my point instantly.
mississippi
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Well you probably ain't qualified yet.
radiodenver
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Nerd! Miss....what's a "dicko" anyway?
...
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you sure as hell are.
mississippi
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So I'm someone to look up to then, especially from your lowly position? I'm bored of trading petty insults with you so I'll leave you to carry on alone, I'm sure you'll be very happy to have the last word. If you get lonely you can always spend 40 or 50 posts trading with ritalin, she's always happy to oblige.
Brownie_1
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Erm... Guys Guys Guys... Kiss and make up please. Radio, I think your a little harsh in your spurting off... I think this site is one of the best I've come across. It certainly helped me grow and NO, I havent submitted any work on here either in ages. So am I one of those you comment on??? And dont forget everyone involved here gives their time freely. Its very easy to sit on ones butt and punch remarks as you have done here - so venomously. Give all concerned a break. If it bugs you so immensly clear off n start a site up yourself. Constructive - indeed, I recon your related to my boss. She couldn't be constructive if she tried either... The old saying that comes to mind is... If you dont like it - bugger off... Keep up the good work Tony I'm behind you all the way...
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something Missi ain't seen in a looooooooog while.
Brownie_1
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Oh and I forgot to say. "Here, here, Mississippi." I couldn't have said it better myself.
radiodenver
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..., What you hiding from anyway?
...
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>I'm bored of trading petty insults< Er... helloooo? You've been doing that for the last four years here and NOW you're bored! Why do you consider that I'm lower than you. Is that all you're worried about - status? And tell me, would you honestly (yes I know it's a hard word for you to grasp but do try) behave in public the way you do here? Would you really insult so freely if you were face to face? I expect your reply will be 'yes' which begs the next question.... How have you managed to get to the ripe OLD age you have attained without getting your head caved in? Just wondering ya know.
Brownie_1
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I'm worried about you... Are you under the doctor, or was it just a bad day??? I hope your feeling saner tomorrow.
mississippi
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Denver, the three dots above used to be known by his chosen name, Paul Greco. He spent so much time on the site bragging about his monster cock and what a wizard he was at using it that I bestowed upon him the sobriquet, Dicko. He spent most of his time here trying to change the site to his liking, and was helped in his efforts by another dumbfuck named Mykle. Cockweasel, aka Henstoat chipped in too in an attempt to get me thrown off the site. It all ended in tears for them when Mykle fed them some false information and had to apologise. Dicko started a thread petition almost identical to the one he's started again. I'm worried shitless. And he's right, I don't look at dickos, I prefer women.
betty
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Yeah I'm worried about him too. Don't know why though.
radiodenver
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Brownie.....Damn right I'm harsh! Harsh is my middle name. I eat nails for breakfast! People like you last about 30 seconds where I come from. If you're going to do a thing, do it right. You have a problem with your boss, wonder what her problem is with you, didn't go into that one did you? As for my own site, been doing it for 15 years, out of my own pocket mind you and with good results. Anything else?
hitch
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radio, la, I understand your frustration, but it is grossly unfair to single out Liana as a target. I think an apology to her is in order. She has been the single most helpful person on this site since its inception. She also has more writing talent in her little finger than 98% of the other contributors. Go on, make the man's move - you can do it. ps Tony/Mark/etc Can you make the authors' names a bit bigger in the last 100 section? I'm having a little problem with my opia.
radiodenver
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Monster cock? Maybe there's a future in porno. I think I'm starting to understand the little names now...each one is unique, not just random.
mississippi
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Chosen with precision.
John
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I thought it meant dick head!
Hen
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Missi's version of events is a rewrite of history far exceeding the effect of all the thread deletions on UKA and ABC put together. For one thing, no one tried to get him kicked off the site. This, like much else, is in his imagination.
radiodenver
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That's pretty good....Years ago, when I was a kid in the military, we gave everyone a name in pneumonic form (I had one too.) One particular fellow whose head was rather large (physically) comes to mind. “That's one big ass head on that dude...Yep, he's a big headed mother f***** alright.” So it got converted to BHMF...which got converted to Bimiff (pronounced exactly as it's spelled). Everybody called the guy Bimiff after that, he never knew what it meant and actually took the name in high regard. So, the moral of this story is...take your nicknames as your own and relish them, it'll make everybody feel much better. Esprit De Corps.
stormy
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Alum, I regularly employ Ely's enema kit to flush out my works on this site. It does you good, you feel clean and keen to start again... which is why I don't have much on show at the mo. We all have phases.
Bob Roberts
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*Wipes eyes with hankie* I'm so glad I stumbled across this site...Cheers to you all! Kindred spirits, every one! I'm finally home....
Liana
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I am not writing for myself at the moment - I have a LOT of writing of other kinds to do. I did 5000 words on Tristram Shandy and the subversion of the Novel form last week - I could post it, but I'll spare you all, and you should be grateful. Excuse me for not uploading the minimum requisite of poems to allow me to participate on the forums... ( I do still have four folders of work on here however. Sheesh)
mississippi
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I have the threads saved for all to see.
Hen
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Find me one request that you be removed from the site.
Liana
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Christ. This puts me in mind of a childhood scene... one foul mouthed billy no mates bully ranting on, with a skinny snide billy no mates weak one hiding behind him and going "yeah!!" in agreement. Pathetic.
mississippi
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Jon, you are one very tiresome little boy, now just fuck off back to UKA and do some moderating, there's a good boy. Everyone who was here at tha time knows what went on, the details are not really important. you ended up with egg all over your big nose and dicko scurried away with his tail between his legs. Mykle was embarrassed that he'd made himself look a c**t, which he is.

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