Barrymore

AJ I never said that you accused anyone, read my post please. I did not personally pinpoint anyone. So, in the great scheme of things you should ackowledge that, unless you are accusing me of accusing you of anything but hypocrisy. Thank you Ralph

Change your shrink Ralph.

Why should I do that? Its a long term process and changing may do me more harm than good. I've only had a couple of appoinments thus far and its going quite well. The NHS are paying and I cry a lot in the sessions which is cleansing. I recommend it to anyone who has lost their way a little. I asked her (for she is a she) if I should cut out contributing to the site and she said no, but be honest with yourself and with everyone else and that is what I am striving to do, I may lapse sometimes, but that is improving I think. Its up to you if you want to slag me for that or applaud me or even bully me. Ralph

Interesting fact for the day: "People with mental disorders such as psychoses rarely yawn." Unlike the rest of us that have to read crappy self obsessed posts.

You keep replying old son so you must be engaged in everything I do or might need some help like me. Think about that please. Ralph

Enough. Stop it. This is not a place for nastiness from any direction - and please will you all stop using alisases as it just causes problems.

Agreed. Did you here that Mr Spok?

Yes, I saw it - Nice to see you agree Ralph. (spok) I'll stop it, if you will. In all your names. If I see you doing it, I'll out you again. Thats it.

Shall we dance?

sorry. by here. i meant in the general public discourse about this case. i stick by my main point in the original post. that this whole case is so focused on barrymore and not enough on the victim. which happens all the time, i know. and i was merely looking at the differences that appear between the reporting of suspicious deaths that have sexual violence involved which are heterosexual, and this case which appears completely overwhelmed by the presence of showbiz and gay sex. this appears to have rendered the case as little more than a bizarre spectacle, as opposed to a sordid, sick and pointless death of a man. and why does ralph seem so concerned with all this showbiz connection stuff? what was the point in introducing it into a discussion? and look what happened to the discussion after. pointless ralph. unbecoming. lacking in grace and quite obnoxious.

Faithless The point I was trying to make was exactly the same as yours to a certain extent but maybe coming from a diffrent direction. Because a celebritiy is involved the story becomes dirtier by definition. I work in showbiz, its nasty and bent and very greedy. This has become a spectacle that is being milked by a cast of thousands of players. The public are being duped on their sofas, opinions marginalized by half and quarter truths. This happens every day and in every strand of life and most of us know that; its the ones who don’t, the ones who view the world with rose tinted glasses that I worry about. Correct information is everything I believe, only then we can make our own choices. It’s no crime to be informed. It maybe wrong to be heavy handed sometimes and I will admit that. I apologise if my point misfired. I admire what you have to say Faithless. Ralph

I have no wish to slag, applaud or bully you Ralph, I just happen to think your shrink is wrong, they are like the rest of us, some good, some bad, some complete frauds.

George No worries. With due respect, (and there is a fair bit to you old son, you know that) you are not fully aware of my situation (who can be, not even I). If anything can help me out of my current crisis I will look and examine it in full. It may help, it may not, we will see. Regards Ralph

Never known anyone less barry!

Strangely, I actually feel sorry for the bloke. Never liked him or his style of 'entertainment' but I can't help feeling sorry for what's happened to him. It seems to me that since he publicly came out of the closet his career has nosedived. Now, I dont even think thta this is due to a shift in public perception of him - people still love his entertainment. It seems to me that he's really struggled to adapt to being openly gay - almost as though he cant cope with the idea himself, rather than it being the media or the public not being able to cope with it. He had a hell of a lot of support in the media when he came out but since then the publicity has turned negative purely because he's screwed it all up for himself. Still, I find it very odd that he can make the front page of the newpapers when we've got all this hell going on in the world

Isnt that typically british though mark.. they love someone when theyre a struggling champ, and then whoomph, if it all goes down the pan, they'll leap on to the scandal with a whoop of joy and tear them to pieces... its nasty and pointless... what the bloke does with his private life is his own business. someone died at a party of his, thats awful, and im sure he isnt dancing for joy - he looks pretty broken as far as i can see. ive been at parties where people have over indulged in drugs, alcohol and whatever and couldve died - their business entirely, not mine, as is their sexuality... but thankfully death hasnt happened in my circle... agree with you that it seems that he cant handle his sexuality, but i dont know for sure, because im not him. i feel sorry for him, but i feel much sorrier that i live in a country that sees fit to make it front page news, with some kind of vicious glee. thats the really sick thing.

I actually warmed to his style of entertainment, maybe cos I was influenced by good old Brucie on the Generation Game when young. He's made a mistake and sounds like he was going off the rails to some extent. I suppose we'll never know his actual involvement in all the trouble, but the media love a high-profile person to fall - and then make it front page news, so vulnerable and bored people who read it, also lap it up and think it's important. What does everyone think these people do in the private lives? Allegedly, Sammy Davies Junior took part in drunken gay orgies which didn't come out till after his death. Probably many of the other famous people around him at the time did so also (or equivalent). However, it would be almost impossible now to watch Barrymore on that program where he gets kids to say things. I don't think he's a "Gary Glitter" career failure, but he's done himself no favours by not answering questions.

Er...will someone please explain?

It's all here Andrea http://www.sundayherald.com/27731 http://www.observer.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,587474,00.html

It might be worth considering that he has not been convicted of anything, and for that matter, from what I saw on the news the other day, there was insufficient evidence to charge him with anything. The parents of the victim were unhappy that insufficient evidence was presented to substantiate a credible explanation of what happened, but one report said even they were disgusted by the pouncing on Barrymore without proper evidence. It seems like this kind of journalism is, sadly, a universal phenomenon these days. It might be a bit more "in your face" here, but not by much.

You are right Justyn. But he is utterly guilty of severe crimes against comedy though.

That could be. I didn't know who he was until some show about TV comics through the years included a segment about him. This was only a couple of months ago.

Ta, Missus.

At least all the media coverage has pushed my shares in Barrymore up.... (Dont know how to make it clickable - sorry!) http://www.fatdogexchange.com/index.php

well bugger me!! I lurv barrymore and I lurv his shows because he obviously lurvs people, and that ain't a bad thing in my book. Why do people look at gays and immediately conjure up the bedtime scenes? Beats me everytime. I don't look at my friends and wonder what they do in the bedroom, yet we, the straight community seem to measure up the person by what we imagine goes on in the bedroom, well that's bloody sick. I don't care what anyone does in the bedroom department whether they be straight or gay, so let's leave sexuality out of the equation, shall we.

well said, aj. it would be nice if things like sexuality and colour were like... well i was trying to think of something we weren't prejudiced against. i was going to say height initially, but i don't think it works. suggestions welcome. people, eh? we seem to want to pick each other apart.

I dont think it had much to do with his sexuality, but everything to do with a corpse in his pool.

Well said Liana.

okay . i kind of hummed and ahhed. about this story. but serious sexual injuries. massive drug usage. a dead man in a pool. the blanket of silence between the party attendees. then barrymore claiming his right to silence at the inquest forgive me for straying onto dodgy ground. but if it had been a female in the pool? with serious sexual injuries? and nobody at the party had owned up? would the clamour for justice not have been so much more pronounced? and rightly too. male or female. young or old. a death like this is at least manslaughter. if only because nobody saved him. l never mind not knowing how he came to be in the pool with his @!#$ ripped to shreds, drugged to the extent that he would have not been able to get out of the pool. this case stinks. ...i think the victim has been denied here by it only being a gay thing... i think the double standards here are repulsive.

here?

Dear All I know a little bit about this. The word on the showbiz grapevine (which I swing from as you all know) is that it will all come out in the wash. What I mean by that is that in all likelihood there will be a civil case. If you can read between the lines(no pun) you will get the gist. Having worked with Mr Barrymore on several occaisions I can state that the prognosis is not good. My fond friends who have worked in television with him on an extended basis tell me that this is a timebomb that has been ticking for nearly a decade and it is about to go off bigtime. There are more stories of depravation to be revealed mark my words. Mr Barrymore is gay, that should never be the issue. The issue is his nastiness that lies outside the little box in the corner of your living room (much like the hateful Jim Davidson, wait to that one explodes) that is a prime topic here. People (players, they are called as if in Tinsletown) want him to get through this because there is millions to be made here in commercial interests, this includes the newly endowed gangsters of the BBC who want to a quick buck out of his confessional book (a little like the Roy Kean and David O Leary situation) I speak from a posistion of privalidge that is a result of inside knowledge and personal experiance. How can we be outraged and act so violently in our emotions towards the suspected murderers of children but still give a " Ahh, Isnt he sweet and cuddeley, I'd like him to come to mine for tea anytime" attitude to someone who has a toothy grin in almost the same breath when he is possibly suspected of a heinious crime as well. Yes people are soppy, stupid and easily manipulated as ever. And of course hypocrites. Ralph Ralph

Oh, and well said faithless as well. Ralph

news flash: "barrymore claims he can't swim so couldn't save said victim in pool" ex wife comes forward to reveal that he can indeed swim. Now with regards hypocrisy there were as I understand it seven people at that party and yes barrymore could have been the perpertrator of the crime but as british justice decrees 'you are innocent until proved guilty' and as I understand things in my little old waythere is no proof of anyone having done the misdeed. Sorry if that makes me a hypocrite, but that's life me old son :>)

He is going down (oh madam!!) and you better believe it sweetpants.

Indeed AJ, he is innocent untill proven guilty, that is the law of the land. So, by that very law you must assume that the accused in the case of the two murdered girls in Cambridgshire are innocent as well. Do you understand that and do you agree? Dougie

weren't you advised to have a break from the forums ralph?

Yeah, your mates in room 101.

Yup, I was, saw a shrink and he told me not to give in to bullying. Its a fair cop.

Did he say anything about your whacking great pychosis?

Oh yes. I am on medication. Want some?

what was his advice re: making a tit of yourself?

It probably takes a while before it kicks in. Don't despair.

I made a valid point about Micheal Barrymore and the manipulation of the media and the law, something I know a little bit about because it is the land in which I earn my living. If I do not agree with your dogma then so be it and vice versa. I am not getting into huge rows or arguments again and I will not be bullied by anyone Fish. Thank you once again for the support (you know who you are) The voices keep me company anyway.

No one wants arguments. When you are not on the forums, displaying your tittery in your million and one different personalities, then there is no trouble. When you make valid points, there is no trouble. When you are not "off on one" stabbing everyone in the back, or a rselicking at a rate of knots, then there is no trouble. Oh yes, and the ones who support you, them again. So far, they've been out in their hundreds, all over the place, can't move for them. Still, you can always invent them can't you. (Oh, the irony) Geddit?

As I said the voices keep me company. Anyway spok (Hilarious), isn't it time you came clean about your identity. My pseudems this week were kept to a minimum of two and they were as follows 1.The harmless . 2.The slightly sprightly Douglas Hird. Now its your turn or are you not Tuff enough. You have had about thirty in the last fortnight or so and I cannot even give you the credit of amusement because you ain't funny or even offensive. You are a bit like the usless uncle in a crap jumper who dances like a marionette at a birthday party. Anyway, I've just heard that Barrymore is being investigated for telling Porky's in court. They don't like it up em do they? Is that you Martha? Ralph

forgive my memory but did I ever convict the accused of killing little Jessica and Holly? Was my thoughts not for their parents and families? I could of course be mistaken but to my recollect I have never said 'they' did it let's get 'em! Should I of course be guilty of said misdemeanour I will of course acknowledge it. 'tis a shame that you can't keep 'mum' a bit more, 'cos you know what, should I be your employer at the moment I would sack you, 'cos you 'talk' far too much. You say that have your ear to the ground, well in my experience you are just tring to gain brownie points be acting the 'big I am' and sorry old chap it don't wash. Should I want any updates on this story, I, for one will listen to the good journalists out there and not you.