So. Why doesn't poetry sell?

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So. Why doesn't poetry sell?

Thought I'd have a go at a serious topic.

I don 't honestly know why poetry doesn't sell. There are a couple of conventional theories:

1) People want immediate satisfaction from things, and poetry requires an investment of time and thought before you get returns.

2) You have to be educated in reading poetry in order to know how to approach it. People are simply not taught how to read poetry anymore.

In answer to, 1) I would say that there are different kinds of poetry, and some do give immediate satisfaction. It's a shame that when a poem displays these qualities it is often looked down on as a crowd-pleaser, a dumbed down gimmick. I'm not sure about 2). It might be right. I find poetry approachable, but I know I didn't until sixth form, when we studied Bloodaxe's 'The New Poetry'. So maybe you do need to be educated well to appreciate it - at least on the page.

I have a few theories of my own.

1) It is possibly too intense and real. The books that fly off the shelves are mostly pure escapism - most people don't want the 'assault on the senses' that poetry often promises to inflict.

2) Range. Anthologies of poetry are often very successful in terms of sales, at least compared with individual's collections. Anyone involved in poetry tends to find they form strong opinions about what is great, and what is bilge, and most find that the rest of the world do not agree with them. So you can't just pick any book off the shelves and trust it to be good. Buy an anthology, however, and you'll probably be getting a good haul of the stuff you like.

3) Not enough celebrity. Billy Corgan's horrific 'Blinking With Fists' (the first poem was called 'The Poetry of my Heart') sold well. Ted Hughes is great, but is it coincidence that 'Birthday Letters', his books of poems about his relationship with Sylvia Plath, has outsold all his other collections? People like to read the dirty secrets of a person they know. The tabloids know that.

4) The way it is marketed. I honestly think this is a big factor. The critical atmosphere around poetry is intensely intellectual, and the marketing reflects that. There is almost an effort to disguise from the casual reader anything that might be interesting, and make it clear to them that they'll only enjoy the contents if they're a very sensitive and intelligent human being. Bloodaxe's Neil Astley takes the strong view (too strong in my opinion,) that treating poems as 'texts' and approaching them in an intellectual fashion is totally misguided, and has tried to find an alternative marketing route. He's now a rich man.

In reality, I think it's probably a combination of all these factors. Any other theories?

A worthy thread I feel. I reckon, people are stupid. End of. I know that is not very helpful, but I don't understand it either and it annoys me. A LOT! Span x
A worthwhile topic - though I think the 'too intense and real' angle just reeks of pseudery. Come on, Jon. You might as well be waving a copy of Ariel yelling, 'You can't handle the truth!' The fact is, in the form of lyrics, be it Dylan, Roots Manuva, even the much-maligned Streets, poetry sells by the vanload. Working out a way to sell brilliant, relevant, accessible poetry is not an impossible task. However, I find a lot of the 'professional' poetry I'm confronted with is absolute vapid crap. Bloodaze do publish an awful lot of rubbish; similarly, the Verb seem to make no distinction between great poets, and 'dalendless shids' as Partridge would have it. Poetry needs to be accountable for its bad apples before a wider audience takes it seriously.
I reckon that the 'poetry as specialised deployment of language' aspect might be worth considering. Imagine a funnel. At the mouth of the funnel is everyday speech. Everyone does this. Magazines are quite near the mouth of the funnel, closer to speech than to anything else A bit further in is email and letter writing. Less people do this. Books that sell loads, like Dan Brown etc are nearer to the mouth of the funnel. The more specialised, or complicated the use of language is, the further into the funnel you go, before you end up at poetry which is a very specialised usage of language. Various technical discourses are around the thin end too, like medicine or plumbing or forensic accounting. I think the distance from everyday speech has a bearing on how popular something will be. Pam Ayers, very near the mouth of the funnel. Complex poetry, very near the thin end. Some poets break through and sell because they express things in ways that don't seem to be specialised, even if they are. That's one of my theories. As mentioned above, learning to read is one thing. Learning to read poetry is another. Things where what it says isn't what it means are going to be less popular than things where what it says IS what it means. I can't remember the right terms for this, but it's like Freud and his idea of manifest content (what it says) and latent content (what it means). Poetry is notorious in the popular consciousness as something that doesn't mean what it says, or alternatively, something that needs extra knowledge to decode and give meaning to. Cheers, Mark Brown, Editor, www.ABCtales.com

 

My poetry is not great, but I really enjoy a complex thought poem. Funnily enough, when I started writing as a child, it was poetry I wrote. But at the same time, poetry can be hard work, not easy to read like books. I like your take on it Mark, explains it really well for me. I think I'm going to take all this on board and buy more poetry books.
marketing comment.What is on the shelves in bookstores is limited.We all need the symbolic thinking ,emotional content and original links that poetry provides.Poetry should be cheap, available and there.At the checkout perhaps.

 

"Come on, Jon. You might as well be waving a copy of Ariel yelling, 'You can't handle the truth!'" I'm thinking of stuff like Peter Reading, that's full of grisly murders, vomiting and tramps breaking their legs, or Carol Anne Duffy's rapists and lesbians. This is the kind of thing people love if it's done in a comic gross-out or serious drama way, but poetry is very casual and matter-of-fact about it, and I think that gives people the shivers. Anyway, I don't have a copy of Ariel, so fneh. I kind of agree that poetry publishers put out a lot of unbelievable rubbish. Tentatively, because I know some people are really passionate about the stuff I think is naff. There seems to be quite an audience, for example, for poems where the poet remembers visiting war memorials with their grandfathers in Poland and the sparrows in the blackberry bushes whisper, 'Auschwitz' on the wind. And Ruth Padel seems to like Duffy's latest. But! If this is why people don't trust poetry publishers, why on earth do they buy novels? There are more crap novels than crap poets. Also: why do people buy the crap novels, but not buy the crap poets? Surely, the crap poets should be the one most likely to find an audience. Ergo, in order to popularise poetry, maybe Bloodaxe and Faber should publish more dross.
may be we should, self publish our best stuff.Does having a publisher make it legit? Get it all into the realm of popular culture.I had a thought about getting poetry into schools .In the library little books of poetry and then a basket of boiled sweets. Read this and have one of those.

 

Recently I have been trying to buy more poetry pamphlets, such as the wonderful Fuselit and Ditto. Also things like Kathryn Simmonds' 'Snug' (yes I am banging on about that again!) Give me more give more me! I fail to understand why there are not more of them in bookshops. I need them. I don't understand why such enjoyable things are not more covetable. I also agree with the bad apples thing. I am willing to proffer myself as an altar sacrafice to the God of bad apples. he he. Span
hmmmmmm
I am like that today. I just emailed my boss, asking to have an hour off work for na interview and wrote 'I was just wondering if it would be possible to schedule annour an off work on Tuesday in order to attned an inter' Oh dear, I will just have to hold out for charity. The fact that I am spending time on this whilst at work means I am utterly detestably undeserved of working for such a worthy place. Fuck it. bored now. Buy more poetry! Check my eloquence. Span
it doesn't sell because most people are not that into it ... (pardon the bastardisation of the standard reply to any woman's qualm about any man and his behaviour ... 'he's just not that into you' ... i havent read the book ... just heard the title ...)
I am more like Span and less like Bobblehat. If I think I've got enough money to treat myself to a book, it'll probably be a poetry book. Or a graphic novel. If someone were to gift me with a poetry book, I'd probably read it voraciously. With gifts of novels... well.... I take my sweet time. I still haven't read any of the Woolf novels I got for Christmas last year. I don't understand how people consider novels easier reading. Maybe I've just trained myself too hard to read thoroughly, but novels take a long time to get through, and I often just don't have the attention span. Embarking upon one requires a concerted effort. Despite this, and unlike the sort of people who dislike poetry, I do not go round claiming that novels are all crap these days. 'Cloud Atlas', for instance, sounds wonderful. But I can't be arsed. I read half of 'Foucault's Pendulum', and it's a delicious feast. But I can't be arsed to carry on at the moment.Anything over 200 pages puts me right off. And yet, this morning, still in dressing gown and half-asleep, I pulled my book of Paul Celan's Selected Poems from the shelf (this is stuff I wrote essays on at Uni,) and leisurely read about a third of it. So I think it's possible that people will one day switch sides.
Poetry has never sold well. But as long as there are artists who don't give a stuff then there will always be great poetry! Shame on you.

There's nothing more mind-teasing than the incomprehensible eagerly avowed -
Dennett

Kids would love poetry if they were introduced to rude "nasty" and subversive poetry.They only get to read classic stuff.There was a poem in Ambit called "The village sex lesson" very rude funny and sweet."The Fancy Man " in Forward Prize 2006.Describes psychopathic lounge lizard.Wonderfullly cringe making..It is important because we need to keep language alive , and symbolic thinking.

 

Kids would love poetry if they were introduced to rude "nasty" and subversive poetry.They only get to read classic stuff.There was a poem in Ambit called "The village sex lesson" very rude funny and sweet."The Fancy Man " in Forward Prize 2006.Describes psychopathic lounge lizard.Wonderfullly cringe making..It is important because we need to keep language alive , and symbolic thinking.

 

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