5yrs for baby rape!

Agreed Liana. I would have no problems with locking him up forever for this particular crime... from a purely punishment perspective. He made his warped choices somewhere along the way and should pay for it... Ultimately I do believe in a personal responsibility. Yet, we should never give up on him (or anyone for that matter) I feel... even if we accept that some people will never be rehabilitated. It somehow seems to lessen us (collectively) if we give in... that if he ever dies without showing real remorse he and his ilk have won in some small way.

Link works for me, perhaps it actively screens out morally ambiguous persons... These Americans are darned clever.

ileg The morality test was very interesting. But at the end of the day the situation is different. We do know right from wrong. It is wrong to rape anyone, regardless of our upbringing. As AJ says she was abused as a child but realises it is wrong. If a man fancies a woman & wants to sleep with her, is it OK to rape her if she says no because he was abused as a child? Does he know that? YES he does know it's wrong. If he does it anyway, then he deserves what he gets

I was with you up to the last sentence.

And I used to think 'I' was an idealist!

I think it's time for bed. What I mean is that whether someone is abused or not they know right from wrong

Oooh look leg, I seem to have altered my moral stance on smacking! *rolls up sleeves*

"AJ - you don't have a clue about real life. You live in a goddamn cocoon that you've made yourself over the years out of self-deception and newspaper articles. You tell it like it is about as well as Alistair Campbell. When you can hear and understand everyone's point of view - the victim's, the abuser's, the court's...everyone's, *then* you can claim authority of opinion. Until then, you're fumbling as much as the rest of us to make sense of it, and your unwillingness to try different viewpoints puts you, as far as I'm concerned, well below me in terms of tacking 'real life'. You're stuck with one narrow, gloomy perspective that you refuse to question." YOU SANCTIMONIOUS LITTLE RUNT.......... Now you listen up- from the age eight I was sexually abused, (by mothers numerous partners). When I told her she said I was a Lolitta! Never their fault. Mine because I just happened to be a sweet little girl. In between all of this my mother battered me constantly. Pots of boiling porridge.......pokers in fact anything she lay her hands on. Eventually I married young to escape it all.....only to be battered by my husband. I escaped that marriage only to be confronted by yet another bully. I AM NOT A VICTIM............I AM A SURVIVOR AND YOUR PATHETIC REASONINGS MAKE ME SICK.

"AJ - you don't have a clue about real life. You live in a goddamn cocoon that you've made yourself over the years out of self-deception and newspaper articles. You tell it like it is about as well as Alistair Campbell. When you can hear and understand everyone's point of view - the victim's, the abuser's, the court's...everyone's, *then* you can claim authority of opinion. Until then, you're fumbling as much as the rest of us to make sense of it, and your unwillingness to try different viewpoints puts you, as far as I'm concerned, well below me in terms of tacking 'real life'. You're stuck with one narrow, gloomy perspective that you refuse to question." YOU SANCTIMONIOUS LITTLE RUNT.......... Now you listen up- from the age eight I was sexually abused, (by mothers numerous partners). When I told her she said I was a Lolitta! Never their fault. Mine because I just happened to be a sweet little girl. In between all of this my mother battered me constantly. Pots of boiling porridge.......pokers in fact anything she lay her hands on. Eventually I married young to escape it all.....only to be battered by my husband. I escaped that marriage only to be confronted by yet another bully. I AM NOT A VICTIM............I AM A SURVIVOR AND YOUR PATHETIC REASONINGS MAKE ME SICK.