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It's True, it would be Controversial

I had saved this months ago and just read it again, the thing is whatever your religious persuasion, she has a point.
This is about America but some of it would apply here.

"The following was seen in a Church Magazine in August 2003

Billy Graham’s daughter was being interviewed on the Early Show and was asked how God could allow something like September 11th to happen. Anne Graham’s answer was both profound and insightful. She said, “I believe that God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we’ve been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And, being the gentleman He is, I believe that he has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand that He leave us alone?

In the light of recent events terrorist attacks, school shootings, etc, Let’s see, I think it started when Madeline Murray O’Hare (she was murdered, her body found only recently), complained she didn’t want prayer in our schools, and we said, OK.

Then, someone said you’d better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says, “Thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbour as yourself.” And we said, OK.

Then, Dr Benjamin Spock said we shouldn’t spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem. (Dr Spock’s son committed suicide) and we said, an expert should know what he’s talking about, so we said, OK.

Then someone said, “Teachers and principals had better not discipline our children when they misbehave, and better not touch them when they misbehave, either, because we don’t want any bad publicity and we don’t want to be sued.” (There’s a big difference between disciplining and touching, beating, smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.) And we said, OK.

Then someone said, “Let’s let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they won’t even have to tell their parents.” And we said, OK.

Then some wise school board member said, “Since boys will be boys and they’re going to do it, anyway, let’s give our sons all the condoms they want, so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won’t have to tell their parents they got them at school.” And we said, OK.

Then some of our top elected officials said, “It doesn’t matter what we do in private as long as we do our jobs.” And, agreeing with them, we said it doesn’t matter to me what anyone, including the President, does in private, so long as I have a job and the economy is good.

And then someone said, “ Let’s print magazines with pictures of nude women and call it wholesome down-to-earth appreciation of the beauty of the female body.” And we said, OK.

And then someone took appreciation a step further and published pictures of nude children, then stepped still further by making them available on the Internet. And we said, OK, they’re entitled to their free speech.

And then the entertainment industry said, “Let’s make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence and illicit sex. And let’s record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide and satanic themes.” And we said, “It’s just entertainment, it has no adverse effect, and nobody takes it seriously, anyway, so go ahead.”

Now we’re asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don’t know right from wrong, and why it doesn’t bother them to kill strangers, their classmates and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with “WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.”

“Dear God, why didn’t You save the little girt killed in her classroom?”, Sincerely, concerned student… AND THE REPLY: “Dear concerned student, I am not allowed in schools.” Sincerely, God.

Funny how simple it is for some people to trash God and then wonder why the world’s going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.

Funny how everyone wants to go to heaven, provided they do not have to believe, think, say or do anything the Bible says.

Funny how someone can say, “I believe in God” but still follow Satan who, by the way, also, “believes” in God. Funny how quick we are to judge, but not be judged.

Funny how you can send a thousand jokes through email and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing.

Funny how the lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in school and workplace.

Funny how someone can be so fired-up for Christ on Sunday, but be an invisible Christian the rest of the week.

Are YOU laughing?

Funny how when you go to forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you’re not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it to them. Funny how I can be more worried about what other people think of me than what God thinks of me.

Are YOU thinking?

Pass it on, if you think it has merit. No-one will know that you did. (Except God). But, if you discard this thought process, then don’t sit back and complain about what a bad shape the world is in!

Received via a friend, who had it from a friend, who had an email from a friend in America."

Flash
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Then he'll be a Martyr.
Vicky
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No... more of a stew really
Jeff Prince
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I think it's hard to generalise like that SD "british christians are the biggest hypocrits of them all". In Derby I know several churches and ministries who are supporting homeless and needy people. I know people who are doing it. What motivates them? Is it what they can get out of it materially? No. It's a personal issue - either you believe in a God or you don't. It's between you and God. But people shouldn't blame others for setting a bad example and therefore turning their heads away from spiritual things. It's your choice. And it is a choice. I couldn't imagine life without a spiritual dimension but lots of people happily do. How they do it I will never know. Why do they celebrate Christmas and Easter? What are they celebrating? I don't understand how people can have no faith in anything. After reading most of the above posts I've found it an interesting debate. I've got to say in balance that I agree with the idea that if you have told God to stay out of your life, don't be surprised when He does that. I would find the idea of being truly "on your own" in the universe completely terrifying but obvioiusly millions in this country now are happy to believe that (or not think about it too often). You can't have it both ways.
Flash
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What will we do with his giblets?
donignacio
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I might also add that you don't have to be a Christian to join a Christian social group. Those groups that wouldn't allow non-Christians as group members, I would never want to join.
Vicky
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I don't feel that God has abandoned me Don. God doesn't exist. I don't blame him for anything, that's like blaming a table for being in the way of your knee. Sigh.... this is, unfortunately what I'm talking about my friend, you decide that, based on what little conversation we've had, that I'm just misguided and therefore havn't fully realised what I really feel. I'm 28 years old. I've been studying religion at an academic level for 14 years. I was brought up into a loving, Christian family. I'm an intelligent, acticulate woman who's seen and experienced a few things now. Please give me some credit. I'm an atheist. I'm not ignorant.
Vicky
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sell then as relics
david floyd
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Don, "The reason that people die without seeing salvation is because Christians weren't zealous enough to lead this person to the faith." Interesting. What's you're view on pre-destination? All the major churches you to support it (the idea that whether or not you're going to be 'saved' is pre-determined, by God, before you're born). Has that one been dropped?
Mark Yelland-Brown
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Before the thread is completely sabotaged by those who have the confidence to deny the truth of the sanctity of the chicken. I would like to return to the point that are we a better society now we are post Christian. Also, why after bone fide spiritual revivals such as the Wesleyan revival, the Azuza strret revival and the Welsh revival was there a turning to a stronger sense of morality, loving our neigbour and most importantly the centrality of the Cross and Grace? These revivals brought hundreds of thousands into a belief in Christ. It was truly supernatural, not man made.
marnie
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I would like to return to the point that as you obviously now have the time, why aren't you answering on the other thread?
donignacio
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Vicky -- I never said any of that! I never said that you were 'misguided,' and I never said that God has abandon you. Yes, I don't know you, but I would venture a guess to say that God is trying to get to you. To me, it sounds like you've been trying at one point and had given up. David -- Yes, I don't believe in pre-destination. I don't even think it was pre-destined for Judas to betray Jesus. (Look at how many times Jesus gave Judas time to repent! I'm not sure why he would have bothered otherwise.) Again, this is one of those 'theories' that doesn't have a real answer, but ... I like my theory!
mississippi
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It's not really meant to be manipulative, my intention on many such occasions is to kickstart the others around the forum into sitting up and taking part. As Mark says, we are old adversaries, and there's no point in me taking him to task myself as I've done that many times in the past. I have to admit we had some interesting clashes in the days of yore, and then he disappeared off to his studies. Any person that sets themselves up for the inevitable criticism an evangelical approach to their religion exposes them to has to be respected, and even though I KNOW Mark is misguided, I admire his tenacity and devotion.
Vicky
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"It won't happen all at once! So, it'll take persistance to get there, and it'll take continued persistance to stay there! Also, keep in mind that, as a Christian, there'll be times when it feels like God has abandon you ... but that's for a reason." Sorry I interpretted this as you havn't been trying hard/ long enough - therefore misguided and well the last one's self explainatory Still at least we're trying to understand each other's point of view.
mississippi
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It's far less troublesome to dismiss all religion as crap. You're gonna die anyway.
Vicky
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true Missus.... that's one of the three known certainties
Mark Yelland-Brown
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Marnie, thanks for pointing me back to this site. I hadn't realise more had been written I am definitely rising to the bait. I used to be into all types of spiritualiy, except Christianity, I thought all christians were right wing bigots, ignorant, deluded, bla bla bla. One offered to pray for me once, that was frightening. However, this is my point, I had a personal conversion, on my own in my room, that I was not looking for well I received something that at first I wouldn't accept, except as delusional, I received the gift of a very fluent foreign tongue. I was able to pour it out straight from the heart while having a most incredible sense of the presence of God. I then had no choice but to accept God existed. I then found out that 20 yards away from where I lived and work that people in a Christian coffee shop had felt a call to pray for me for the past two years before that. I was 27, now I'm 40. I have since seen so many lives transformed, by true biblical, spirit filled Christianity which is more New Testament based than main line church based but you know the most incredible revelation, is the fact that most unbelief in God is a denial of the fact that we are in desparate need of forgiveness. When I had that spirtual experience it was if a veil had been lifted and I truly saw the condition of my own heart. It wasn't the fact that I didn't steal kill or commit adultry, it was the insidious pride, anger, lying to myself and others, arrogance in the face of a God I was not prepared to acknowledge though there was enough evidence if I had been prepared to look. importantly, in a society that still had the signs left of Jesus in some places I had wilfully chosen to ignore those signs My own top ten sin was the ability to allow myself the luxury of loving when I felt like it, not when sometimes it was just needed. All of a sudden I realised how much I valued that forgiveness. If you have read this far, and well done if you have! Perhaps one of the most important and relevant scriptures for the ABC site is that the message of the Gospel, Jesus death on the Cross and our need of salvation is `foolishness to the wise` and we are asked to enter the Kingdom as `little children` (Jesus words not mine) On this site we sometimes rabidly fight to be acknowledged as clever, witty, profound, accepted, cool, acceptable! Me included. His will for us was that we would die to self and only love, without His spirit indwelling that is truly impossible. That really is my only arguement, it's about faith, and an experience of God, that isn't just a glib response that is my reality.
Flash
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toast will always fall on the carpet buttered side down is another.
Mark Yelland-Brown
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What a fantastic debate! Looking through your posts after half a day spent in bed with a gyppy tummy certainly took my mind off my bowells! What I believe in my heart and soul, is that unless you're spiritually born again you cannot perceive the things of God. I believe that the things of the spirit can only be discerned by the spirit. Before my spritual conversion reading what I had just written would have had me screaming in derision. The arrogance of it, the ignorant way that it seemingly can't be challenged unless by the fact that the person saying it is sadly, or not sadly very deluded, (that would have been my arguement. In the past I would have thought you were being much too kind to Myb and Don even diologueing with such simplistic and so obviously `exclusive` views. But after my conversion, which of cousre was wholly subjective I've had cause to change my mind, and my world view. The rest of my 14 years as a Christian, walking a Christian path has only really re-inforced the belief that unbelief is a moral issue, at heart. And this revelation has to ultimately come with an experience of God, through Jesus Christ. That is just, only, unimportantly MY belief. I respect you for yours and also thank you for more patience than I would have ever shown.
mississippi
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Was there a winner?
Mark Yelland-Brown
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only you, la la la la la-la
Vicky
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Likewise But just to clarify Mark are you saying that you believe my lack of belief, which is only present because God hasn't shown himself to me spiritually, makes me immoral? That's worrying. Just for the record. If that's true What IS he playing at? Why not just reveal himself to me spiritually right now?
jude
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Convent was beautiful
Emma
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Going off the point here a bit, I missed the above debate having been swimming with my little boy. I just want to say that, not long ago, I had a very powerful experience related to Jesus. It's not often that I do have these things, as I am a cynic surrounded by practicing Catholics. Anyway, one day I suddenly felt the power of the crucifixion coursing through my veins and I cried. The sheer pity of it, the fact that this man died on the cross saying it was for us. Bloody hell. Now that's love is it not? I was taken over with this feeling that included all the most terrible things that mankind has ever done, child murders and tortures, genocides etc etc and it all seemed to be concentrated into this vision of Christ nailed and hanging on the cross. It's a very difficult thing to explain even to myself.
donignacio
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Heck, I was living an immoral life when God revealed himself to me! I'm still not out of it, either. All I'm trying to say is that you've got to continue to seek him! This might sound strange, but I'm practically convinced that he'll reveal himself to you one day, if all you say is true. It's good that you understand the religion! I'm also thinking that the priest you talked to probably had a point. Based on our individual experiences including how we were converted, we're all useful in God's kingdom in different ways. I've essentially been where you are now, Vicky, although I never really called myself an athiest. I was going to church all my life ... I said the prayers, I was baptized, I even understood the religion ... but I had serious doubts about Christianity. And then one day, God revealed himself to me, and I no longer had doubt. All you need is patience and persistence. It was Jacob who wrestled God, wasn't it? I didn't wrestle God that much, but maybe he's waiting for you to really get your hands dirty. (Boy ... I'm probably using the wrong analogy, but ... I think you get my point.) This is another point that is hotly debated, but if at one point you've asked God 'into your heart,' so to speak, then there's a good chance that you might be saved right now. He might just be testing you. There have been many times I've heard people ask God and asked it myself, "What are you playing at?" ... except with a more American term! He's got his reasons. (Echoing what Mark Yelland-Brown said, I would like to thank you guys for not putting me down.)
s.d
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vicky maybe gods plan is in evidence just now. donignacio what happens to the nation who discredit the prophet and who hold gods word in vain ? it's in the bible somewhere isn't it ?
donignacio
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I don't know, s.d! It's probably not good!
jude
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*looks through new testament trying to find particular passage - gives up and returns to wine*
Emma
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Oh, evening Jude, how are you?
Hen
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Yeah, but don't you (Don and Mark,) miss the excitement of uncertainty? Happening across faith in God seems to block up too many cracks for my liking. Cracks are where the light gets in.
Emma
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You can fluctuate in your faith, Hen.
John
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Did someone mention Uncertainty?
Anon
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Funny how that made me feel sick because its so bigoted. Funny how deluded christians are. Funny how moralising gets my goat.
Mark Yelland-Brown
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Could you explain why it's bigoted? I thought there was a lot of truth in it. Signed `deluded`of Barnet
david floyd
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Funny how they were really into God in Europe in the 1600s... And we had the black death and great fire of London. Some of the 6 million Jews killed by Hitler were quite into God too, although obviously not the same perversion. I think Ms Graham is deeply sick in the head. I blame the parents. Although, that said, my parents, who are Christians and my auntie, who is a minister, would find her comments just as insulting as I do.
Hen
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Good point from David - I'd say the same about most of the Christians I know. It's right-wing hokum dressed up as Christianity.
Anon
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Because not spanking children or wanting anyone else to spank them does not make me a follower of satan for fucks sake. Because the music I listen to doesn't make me evil. Because as far as I know, very few people say that pictures of children naked are 'ok' whether on the internet or not and to suggest otherwise is despicable. To dress all this up as religion is also despicable, and it's one reason why so many people cannot stand the stench of it. Anyway Mark, last I heard, you were about to explain the reasons for your religious beliefs over on number one forum. Were you waiting for that thread to drop off the bottom and so not have to honour your promise to elucidate? I'll popover there and shove it back up to the top to make it easier for you to get at. See how kind I am? Positively Christian.
neil_the_auditor
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Unfortunately a lot of this sort of stuff comes from the states which, when it was a lot more "christian" than it is supposed to be now, had quite a nifty line in lynching innocent blacks, dropping atomic bombs, electrocuting supposed spies, censoring or suppressing virtually any literature worth reading and so on. They've still got Republican electoral fraud, death penalty for minors, corporal punishment in schools, kids with legal guns, torture camps in Cuba, illegal invasions of Moslem countries and a lot of other things which right-wing "christians" tend to approve of, so obviously the devil hasn't quite got things his own way yet. As for kids going around "killing strangers", well, they see their president sending his guys out overseas to do just that, and praying about it... Mark my brother, we're supposed to be singing from the same hymn sheet but these American rants against anybody and everybody, accusing ordinary people of satanism and child porn just won't impress.
Rokkitnite
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'And then someone took appreciation a step further and published pictures of nude children, then stepped still further by making them available on the Internet. And we said, OK, they’re entitled to their free speech.' Who the duck said that? The Catholic church? That'd explain its refusal to prosecute pedophile clergy, then. To paraphrase Orwell, the worst advertisment for Christianity is its adherents. Mr Yelland-Brown, you are an utter prat.
Emma
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As I have tried to say in my little poorly thought out posts on these two threads, it's not God I have a problem with, nor even Jesus, but man's use of them. So much of the debate revolves totally around man's various interpretations and uses of what they see as divine in the guise of a debate about the reality or not of God or Jesus or other religious figureheads. So much of religious practice has lost it's contemplative God-focussed quality and is instead totally focussed on 'me' and 'my salvation' and 'my forgiveness'. Is that selfless? Not to my mind. Name a moment or two? I'm not good at church history, but an example would be when the priests turned around to face the congregation rather than the altar, standing behind instead of in front of the altar. I love the way Mass happens on the Continent, the way you can, in small places, drift into a mass with your shopping half done and leave before it is over if you haven't got time to stay, no one tut tuts or even glances round in my experience. Also, contrary to the popular view that Catholicism fills you with guilt and obligation feelings, I find it to be the most accomodating in terms of fluctuations in belief etc. Protestants and evangelicals insist much more that you sign on the dotted line and profess undying loyalty and look on you with such pity and patronise you if you start to doubt.
david floyd
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"Sorry David (Floyd) I insulted you by saying you were giving reasoned responses, not wanting to really pee you off I will amend that and say they were some of the laziest, sorry again Dave. I was being lazy then!" Mark, It's impossible to give a response to your post because your initial post and the alleged interview in it do not make reasoned arguments. I believe almost every single point made be you/Ms Graham is both morally contemptible and/or factually incorrect. I'm happy to send you a detailed explanation of why (which would run to several thousand words) but given that religion is based on faith, attempting to debunk it with logic or fact is largely pointless exercise. Ms Graham lists a series of extremely right-wing views which seem to lack any compassion for or understanding of humanity and points to them as representative of Christianity. My point, which is an extremely serious one, is that I do not believe these views to be respresentative of Christianity, a religion which I now longer follow but continue to have a great deal of respect for. While I don't believe that earthly problems can be solved by resorting to the supernatural, I think Jesus, as described in the Bible makes a lot of sense but I don't see any connection between those teachings and hate filled rants in support of legitimate but extremely narrow world view. The discussion of whether or not we're in a post-Christian society is a very interesting one but it isn't tackled either be you or Ms. Graham.
Vicky
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It seems to me that since, If you believe in God (which I don't by the way, not that that's important) it's extreemly unreasonable to blame him for the world's problems... er free will, needing the contrast of evil to appreciate good etc etc... therefore it must also be unreasonable to blame man's lack of belief in God for the world's problems also. At the end of the day there has always been darkness in humanity and there always will be but a man died at the end of my road last week saving a homeless man from being hit by a car and that wasn't God either... it was pure humanity. We may not be the best race that ever evolved or created but we have our moments. ;)
andrew pack
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I think the problem with Ms Graham is that she shows both a lack of logic and compassion - the absence of one is forgivable when developing an argument, but the absence of both is problematic. It seems to me to be a central part of Christianity that man has free will and that we are past the Old Testament era of a vengeful God who will smite people for misbehaving. Ms Graham is implying that a Christian God would destroy a great deal of people in the World Trade Centre in New York, and use as his servant for doing so, a religious extremist who follows another religion. Following that logic, we have to say that if God is taking sides on September 11th, he is on the side of the fundamentalist terrorists, rather than the office workers and tourists. Following that through, we then get to the point where any attempt to stamp out said terrorism or bring the perpetrators to justice would be against God's will. There is exactly the same danger in equating Ms Graham with Christianity as there is in equating Bin Laden with Islam. They are both grade A crackpots who have distorted the central messages of the religious faith that they supposedly follow. (And no, before anyone asks, I am not saying that Ms Graham is as bad as Bin Laden - just that you should not judge a religion by its extremists) I don't believe that you actually do endorse the remarks that she has made Mark, if you look at them carefully. Surely any Christian believes in forgiveness, understanding and most importantly free will - if there's a balancing up and weighing of sins that comes at the end of life, not God destroying those who offend him. As some French guy once said, "I believe in Hell, I just can't believe there's anyone in there" - as a Christian you either believe in an Old Testament God who is vengeful and to be feared, or a New Testament God who has compassion and understanding. I have no problem whatsoever with people having a faith in God, or Allah, or whoever, but I think faith is a personal private thing - it is the evangelical side of religion that I object to. If I respect a Christian's faith, I expect them to respect my atheism - they don't have to like it, they can think I'm utterly wrong, but neither of us can convert the other by argument and neither of us should try.
Mark Brown
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Mark, you seem to be subscribing to a fairly apocalyptic view of society, in my opinion. It seems to me that all you can see is decay and decadence and degeneracy. This being the case, when was the point where things start going to the dogs? I've seen this kind of analysis a load of times and it always seems that the last point at which everything was all right is mostly identified 'about a generation' ago, usually when your parents were kids. That's the last point where everything was certain and ordered and 'in its place'. After that it's all downhill until... Well, until what? What happens now Mark? If you subscribe to the evangelical agenda of your initial post, the question that most needs answering is the question of the apocalypse, the revelation, the time of great tribulation. If God is an active force in the affairs of man, and the devil is too, at what point are they really going to come to blows? If we don't listen to the gospel, what will happen? Decay and degeneracy have to bottom out at some time, don't they? Isn't that the time when God steps in and sorts out the good christians from the unrepentant sinners and sets the reset button on the world? Some forms of this evangelical world view have an element of 'there are no innocents'. If you aren't for God, then you are for Satan. The two are duking it out in real time, like superhero and super villian, scoring points against each other. When a certain score is reached, God calls the game to a halt and then they agree to meet again for a rematch. I'm not sure I like being told that I've joined a team in a game I don't even want to play. What do you reckon, Mark?
Mark Yelland-Brown
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The thing I meant about morality is that, and it was a sweeping generalisation but I really believe it and would rather be honest about that belief, is that we are all in need of forgiveness. We categorise sin and we're right to because we are so fallible. We would not put a child killer up there with someone who is a liar, a thief on a par with some one full of pride, I was going to say adulterer, but that's not really considered wrong by a lot of people. The thing is that , Christians believe that in one way there is no heirachy of sin, and that's why we're not supposed to judge our brother or sister. But we do. I do. Maturity for me as a Christian has been knowing my need of God and as I've prayed and sought God, being more aware of my ability to be unloving and how seeking to walk by the spirit and the word has enabled me to see the choice more to love. Also realising that we are all so broken in need of healing, in a way even more so when we've found God because for me it was the first time I was faced with the condition of my own heart. If I've come across as arrogant it probably means at the time I was being arrogant, I'm sorry for that. Believe me I am more aware now of my capacity to hurt and be unloving yet also the paradox is I also know I'm more able to love because of my relationship with someone I believe to be living , loving, saving and restoring. Looking over the threads I see the simplistic nature of my postings compared with what are much more philosophical and in a way more penetrating answers from so many of you. The point is I can't argue just on a cerebral level, be honest, won't. Faith here is the reason. It's like being in a different paradigm, and before I'm accused of being even more deliberately obscure and evasive, I mean that spiritual experiences, in my experience, are so naturally subjective, but, so powerful that it's as if the world really is a different place. It's about the langusge we're using. I seem to be writing a kind of type of evangelical `christanese` and to most people on the site they recoggnise it as as coming from all the worst kind of shallow `God` speak.. To me those words, such as `born-again` filled with the Holy spirit`, `our need of forgiveness` resonate as my experienced truth. For me as an interlectual, as an English teacher as a writer and song writer of both Christian and secular work, my interlect is incredibly important if you like it's used as a plumbline of tuth and integrity for most things that come in the realm of thought and argument. But for the last 14 years I have been on a journey that has made me realise that this interlect is incredibly flawed and self-serving. I've realised how our own needy agendas for the most basic of human requierements, love and to be loved, our self image, accepted and to be accepted, parented and to parent, and so many other basic emotional needs influence more than we can ever imagine our philosophies and what we believe to be true. The bigger picture is what my spirituality has provided for me. The main and only reason I am a Christian , and an evangelical charismatic christian is very, very basic. I've seen with my own eyes, I've read thousands of eye-witness accounts stretching back over two thousand years and met too many people who have had the same experiences of the miracles performed by the spirt in the name of Jesus. The incedible power to supernaturally transform lives. I've not seen nor heard of anything coming close to that loving power. More importantly I've seen through new eyes the truth and destructive force of sin, an emotive word that used to have me fuming because of the connotations especially as the word was usually being used by someone I either didn't know or even did know but didn't trust. To deny that reality would be to deny that at the moment the sun is shining and I'm sitting at the computer in my bedroom, whilst my wife and 2 boys are out. I love my Lord Jesus but across this cyber space and to those who read this it's a `so what` in any kind of debate except in trying to be more open and hoping to be understood.
rachel
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If Graham's theory is true, something really apocalyptic is probably about to happen to ABC tales.
Rachel
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Mark, a friendly non-pisstaking comment: If you're going to draw attention to your intellect then you need to spell it correctly.
writersblock
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Did you hear about the dyslexic agnostic? He didn't believe in Dog.
mississippi
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Ap[art from the fact that the diatribe at the top of the thread is garbage, I don't believe for one second that it was a genuine answer to an interview question. It is so obviously the work of some stunted little religious script writer. How do I know it isn't a genuine answer? Does anyone believe that any interviewer could keep their mouth shut long enough for an interviewee to spout that lengthy an answer? Of course not, they would interject after the first ten words and every ten thereafter.
Mark Yelland-Brown
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It's important to be able to spell `intelect`or is it `interlect`? I'm only a flipping English teacher!!
Mark Yelland-Brown
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Rachel, I honestly wrote that before your posting, honest, I blush but I'm glad just in case I was getting even more pompous!

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