Walsingham
Thu, 2005-06-16 12:54
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Walsingham
Why does our lady always appear up craggy hillsides or on blustery moorelands?
Okay Lourdes can be nice but when it rains it hacks down. And Medjugorie...a few goats and rocks!
And Knock in County Mayo ...the most windswept, desolate part of Ireland Our Lady could choose to be floating about with Sts Joseph and John appearing to locals.
and Walsingham ...well I shall move on in a moment to Walsingham.
I mean most of you don't believe she appeared (or perhaps the adverse weather caused the apparitions). nyway I pray for the day she apears in the Maldives or Cape Town or somewhere nice.
so Walsingham...where someone had a dream or vision and we tek there on Pilgrimage. and I am going to this far flung forsaken part of Suffolk on Saturday.
So please pray for me and that the sun shines (although there isn't much chance of that)
martini you ****?
Stormy the ****, doesn't live in Greenland, only ****'s live there. You'd have to be a **** to wanna live there now, wouldn't you, you ****? Oi, who are you calling a ****,****. This guy came up to me and said 'hello, you ***'. What a ****! I kicked him in the **** and said 'who are you calling a ****, you****?
What a ****!
OK, Tim, I got the record !! Beat THAT!
(appologies to Dudley Moore)
Tony Cook
The king before Harold was Edward the Confessor.
He was on the throne on January 1st 1066. It is a common pub quiz question.
Harold was a disputed King - that's why he had to march up to Stamford Bridge and fight Harold Hardrada over the succession. He then came storming back down as the opportunist William had landed on the South coast when he knew the King was engaged elsewhere.
The Battle of Hastings was not fought at Hastings. It was fought at Battle. Another pub quiz regular.
The battlefield at Battle is one of the best sites for magic mushrooms I've ever come across. Not that I tried any of course. That does not often come up in pub quizzes.
archergirl
Oooh, I've been to Battle. I even have a souvenir mug and a tea towel.
It -was- Edward the Confessor, I believe, who had too many Norman cronies to be comfortable.
I can't stand pubs (TOO SMOKY) so I'm not as au fait with pub quizzes as you are, Tony!
archergirl
Wasn't Walsingham Queen Elizabeth I's favourite advisor?
Why would Our Lady appear there, I wonder? Libby was a Protestant...
jude
As popular legend has it, the shrine originated with a noble widow, Lady Richeldis, in 1061. A fifteen century manuscript records the Walsingham ballad, which explains how the noble woman wished to honor Our Lady. Mary responded by asking her to build a chapel. Mary led Richeldis "in spirit" to Nazareth to show her the place where the Archangel Gabriel had greeted her, and directed the widow to take measurements of the house so that she could build one like it at Walsingham. In this spot, the Virgin Mary explained, the people would celebrate the Annunciation, the "root of mankind's gracious redemption," and would find help in their needs.
Three times Richeldis experienced this vision and request.
It has botha protestant and Catholic shrine.
At least we no longer barefoot the last mile to the shrine
archergirl
Barefoot would be okay if it weren't paved or stony; a nice grassy path would've been nice on the feet...
fatalky
I saw her in Tesco once.
jude
No
look at the piccie in the right column...it's never that sunny and it doesn't give the full effect of the stonniness of the path but apparently the more severe bleeding of the feet, the better your prayers!
archergirl
I only have one question:
Richeldis isn't an Anglo-Saxon name; it's probably French. If it was in 1061, that's five years before the Normans came across to change the English language forever. So why was she there, before she was supposed to be?
Hrmmm....
jude
Apparently Lady Richeldis de Faverches, a noble Saxon woman, married the Lord of the manor at Walsingham.
archergirl
But Jude, there weren't manors before the Normans came! The Normans changed the entire political/social system! Are you -sure- it was 1061?
jude
haven't a clue Darling I did Geography for GCSE and as I was doing 2 languages and three science I couldn't do History.
Google it love
Smiley
:o)
archergirl
Tch. That's too obvious for people like me...
archergirl
Ha. I googled it and I'm still no clearer. But I learned a little more about the period right before the Norman invasion. This is probably where your Lady fits in. The Saxon king right before Bill the Conquistador came over (the king before King Harold, that is) apparently caused a great deal of disgruntlement by having waaayy too many Norman 'advisors' in his court.
So apparently the Normans were already in Angle-land before they 'officially' arrived with Bill the Frog.
Well, f**k me. Ya learn somethin' new every day. The history books need a slight re-edit.
mississippi
I almost thought this thread was going to be about one of our recently departed!
You know, Walsingham Matilda?
stormy
>>>and I am going to this far flung forsaken part of Suffolk on Saturday<<<
Go to Suffolk, Jude and you'll miss Walsingham by several longbows! :-)
Lou
Stormy, are you in a different time zone? You only seem to appear when I'm clutching me Ovaltine.
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Martini Tim
Stormy lives in Greenland.
The ****.