Homophobia

who cares if he's gay....he's crap gay or straight...

Don't be too dismissive Martin, I think Stuart is considering offering said Ricky Martin accomodation!

With hypothetical issues it's best to keep a good sense of humour as humour releases tension and stops things getting too explosive. In the end to paraphrase President Kennedy - ask not what your neighbours can do for you, but what you can do for them. The mutal pleasure gained from a satisfactory compromise can lead to greater understanding on both sides. Conflict breeds anger, and anger breeds intolerance and bigotry. The world is full of people biting their tongues and gritting their teeth over far more important matters than noisy sex - but that could be the trigger - the final straw.... We must all practise a modicum of restraint since, mostly, it's not about right or wrong but merely about making a point.

Have trouble making sense of any of it. Where I live it just isn't an issue...

Ricky Martin isn't an issue where you live?!?!?!

Nope, him neither.

Being a liberal (and a homosexual) I think the real effort we should all make is to create a world in which people aren't ignorant of one another’s views. Though I don't believe Mark Yelland-Brown is right, I do believe he has the right to his belief and that he is not making it out of ignorance but rather from his varying viewpoint. That variation is something we should treasure. There's nothing immoral about his answer as far as I can tell. Even as a member of the gay community I think you should stand you grounds Mark because liberalism about each of our rights to make our minds up for ourselves. Does what I say address any question at. I'm not sure. lol :0)

Well I'm going home Goodnight.

G'night.

Live and let live. Life's too bloody short.

Fish Don’t call me nasty or start a bun fight because you will lose. I've heard and seen you be much ruder and nastier than me on several occasions. My pal Steve like you speaks it as he sees it. But unlike you his glasses are not smeared with bullshit. You have talent Fish, I'll grant you that, but a lack of grace. I'll say no more on that. Ralph

Thats right One up the bum, no harm done. Ralph

3 - 1 on the bum fighter!

*squeals and clasps satchel ... runs to teacher* ralph is THREATENING me!!!

start a bun fight? who called who a faghag exactly? as I said in another thread - win your arguments by sensible debate. name calling is puerile. stormy *with hand on hip*

Is that just your opinion stormy or is it a scientific fact?

*sigh*

< shoves ivoryfishbone aside and presents teacher with an apple and an oily smile>

no, it is not a scientific fact, missi. but I will let you make the case for "name calling is NOT puerile" ta ta for now.

ooh, handbags at dawn... Or should that be faghags at dawn? Stuart, would your flatmates object to Ricky Martin living with you, even if he was gay?

Well I've slept with both men and women. Never once have I done the anal thing. Most of the time it was oral sex or mutual masturbation. Anal sex is repulsive to me. I don't look down on those who practise it though. Is funny how people assume that gay people just have anal sex. Most of the gay people I have met, find anal sex repulsive; and none of them practise it. From my observation of the natural world, to make some kind of point about sexuality: Concerning the nature of dogs, I have discovered that sexuality is not so easily defined in them. Dogs seem to happily swim both ways, quite happy to bond sexually with a male or a female un-selfconsciously; most dogs act like this, they don't seem to mind, in fact they seem to very much enjoy the experience. So it makes me question what sexuality really is. How some people build a wall - a dividing line; and say your straight, your gay. I don't think sexuality can be so easily defined. I think that perhaps we're evolving now into a new terminology, kind of a postmodern one. Which doesn't use the word gay or straight. Can't remember what it's called, I was reading a book about it the other day, but the term pretty much embraces everyone. I myself can't class my sexuality so easily. I call myself neither gay or straight. I don't think I fit into any of the categories, nor do I want to be put in any categories. I mean who likes to have stereotypical labels pasted on them. Lately I find myself more attracted to the female of the species, but I don't think it makes me a heterosexual. I am just fascinated by the female mind at the moment, as it seems to balance me out. I seem to have quite a lot of female friends at the moment. * I have to agree though there's nothing worse than hearing someone having sex in the next room. Ussually because your jealous, other times because your trieing to get to sleep. On such occasions I try very quietly to sneak out of my room (as I don't want to disturb them, making them realise that someone has heard them; as that could be embarrassing for them, depending on who it is.) and make my way very stealthily downstairs; on such occasions, I imagine I'am a master ninja, trained since a child in the secret arts of stealth, and tread very lightly, so as not to make anything creak. When I get downstairs I watch the telly or slap on the playstation - to get sex out of my mind.

There isn't any case to make Colin, it's just that sometimes you have to speak to people in language they understand, it has nothing to do with losing arguments, it's to do with saying what you really feel. The names you object to (and which I'm almost certain you may have used yourself at times) have become part of the English language because they are succinct and convey ones meaning clearly and forcefully, that is why they are in such common usage. I called Stuart a w a n k e r on another thread because that is what I think of him as, masturbator just doesn't have the same cache! He brought the disdain of other users on his own head and having shot his mouth off tried to excuse himself by making a joke of it, he wasn't even man enough to recognise he was out of order. As far as I am concerned, to redeem himself, in my eyes at least, he should apologise not only to Karl but to the rest of the site for displaying his nastiness, intended or not, to all. I have no doubt that neither he nor anyone else really cares what I think, and they probably don't care what you think either. And before you start making remarks about pots and kettles, I'll remind you I have never made any remark involving anybody, on this or any other site, that used the word death in connection with their well being, in jest or otherwise. I assure you that I can elucidate an argument in whatever terms are required and don't need to resort to profanity to make my case, I only do it when I mean it. If this makes people think of me as a moron or inarticulate that's their problem.

Funk, you are an absolute breath of fresh air...

Ok has everyone noticed how nearly all the threads start off with the subject title and very quickly deteriorate into a few witty quips to each other and a slagging match here and there. So bringing us back to the subject.....I have met a lot straighter gay men than i have straight....in other words,I'd rather share a place with a gay guy who is tidy, trust worthy, and pays his rent on time than a straight guy who rips you off left right and center. This is the issue you need to put to your friends in the flat, not so much the sexuality but the quality of the tennant. Tell your female friend to take a closer look at the gay scene, see how they look after themselves....and i bet you he wouldnt leave the lid off the tooth paste tube , or the toilet seat up...!

I have a homosexual friend who is a hairdresser and a very nice guy. I met him when I did some work for his landlord and was asked to carry out some work in the flat above his business premises. David lives on his own at the moment, apart from his cat. The flat was absolutely disgusting; dirty crockery and clothes were everywhere; the kitchen had cat @!#$ behind the fridge and the sink and worktops were buried beneath the remnants of long discarded meals. I told the landlord if the place was clean in a weeks time I'd do the work. David told me later, after he'd cleaned the place up and I'd finished there that he discovered belongings he hadn't seen in 6 mths. I don't go in his flat now, I confine myself to his salon but I'm certain he has reverted to his slovenly ways!

Mark, In a free society you are more than entitled to have your own beliefs; in fact, you, and we, are even obligated to have some kind of opinion, otherwise the system breaks down. However, no one is entitled to be taken seriously, or to be listened to without comment or response. And for sure, you can not possibly expect people to see you the same way after telling them that homosexuality is against the word of God. In an ideal world, maybe it would work that way, but in our world, like it or not, it doesn't.

Game set and match to Missi I think. The ABCtales Amateur Dramatic Society's production of 'Whoops! There Goes My Daily Mail’ has been postponed due to the bleeding of the chips on Stormy's shoulder. The director of the show, Ivoryfishbone is currently indisposed due to nappy rash. Funky Seagull wins best performance in a musical with his startling rendition of Stephen Sondheim’s ‘I Am What I Am’. Goodnight Tom Paulin

*minces off in a huff*

you should have just let me hit him when I asked. *shrugs shoulders, wondering why might can't be right sometimes.*

ralph darling, you are not the referee. george, nice post but you seem to miss my point. I do not object to the names. As you rightly say they are in everyday use. the point I am making is that if your only response to someone's post is "you are a w anker" then you have not only dropped to playground level but raised the hothead stakes thus turning the thread into a nar ninny nar nar set of puerile postings. You have all probably forgotten the thread from months ago in which StuartWR made some statement or other which most of us ignored but I suspect was tongue in cheek. One of the few responses was from Karl who said "stuartwr, you are a tosser" perhaps that is why stuart has had his 15mins of fame this last week? getting back to this thread though George, my observation was made after it turned personal once again. Calling someone a w anker is childish maybe or maybe not, but to call 2 of our lady writers 'hags' reduces this whole thread to a personal level wouldn't you agree. you can see the same theory at work in ralph's posting above. he is trying to rile me with some attempt at insult which, when it does not work he will start to email me - as he has done before. these I ignore as well. last week he emailed me in a civilised manner on another matter entirely and I replied. imagine being at the abc event George. Someone responds to something you say with "@!#$". you no doubt reply "fark off kant". they throw their pint over you. you lash out to defend yourself. all a bit silly really. but that is what many in this forum do from the safety of their screens. well done for defending ralph but, as you know, he can look after himself. me? yes, I am probably one of the biggest takers of piss around here. I do that in real life too though. I can't wait to meet you all. should be a right bun fight.

Well Justyn, Mark's God doesn't always seem to get it right. He also apparently said 'Love thy neighbour'. The guy across the road from me has just been divorced for doing just that!

bugger me, just had an email from ralph! yes, ralph, I know it was your mate steve who posted about fag hags. did I name you in my earlier post? no. did I name George? no. For the record it went like this: 1) steve called fish and liana fag hags 2) fish replied to steve 3) ralph accused fish of calling him nasty (which she didn't) 4) I posted about bun fights and asked who called who a fag hag. 5)missi posts trying to tell me that fag hag is an everyday term 6) ralph posts accusing me of having chips on my bleeding shoulders 7)ralph emails me as i am posting 8)I post this. yes ralph, I will try to keep up.

Oh dear Colin it's happened again! I was referring to the remarks made on the other thread which I had decided to let go until reminded by your reference to it. The remark made about Liana and Alison I find uncalled for and abusive a

nd would never use a term like that personally. I wasn't aware that I defended Ralph, did I? I know he's more than capable of looking after himself. And another thing, if this bloody computer re-boots of it's own free will once more I'm gonna chuck my beer over it!

lets just nip it in the bud here. I just emailed ralph to suggest it stops too. this is what happens when it gets personal.

Right Loves Lets get straight. The term 'Fag Hag' is an affectionate term used by homosexual men to describe women who are enchanted with them. For example, Narinda from Big Brother is a classic 'Fag Hag'. Many of my pals in the biz use this term. The people on this thread are obviously huge John Inman fans and are also completely out of touch and out to lunch. Shut that door!! Larry Grayson x

Justyn, we don't have to agree and we're both able to be pretty vocal about it, so that's okay. Sebastion, thankyou and bless you for your sanity and good sense. If I had anything personal against homosexuals I would deserved to be called a bigot. The fact is If some of my friends are homosexuals, which they are, their friends first. The sexual orientation is their own affair and preference. I still love them and count on them. They understand the integrity of my position and respect my beliefs, but obviously don't agree with me, why should they?

fag hag is in fact a term that means "women who fall in love with gay men and hope to convert them" It is fine for my token friend Dave to call me it with a smile, but it is not ok for "steve" to sneer it at me. no doubt you'll correct me if i'm wrong. however "steve" in the thread above has no intentions of using it with affection. "steve" obviously has some issues. I am utterly utterly, sick and tired of the bitching, and have left the forums before because of it, so good call storms. now for f ucks sake, give it a rest.

yes i noticed how affectionately it was used by "steve"

Liana If you are so sick of it why on earth do you participate. You have big issues to treasure. You play this game as well an anybody I am not really having a pop at you here Liana its just when the going gets tough or when the wind is not blowing in your direction you always cry wolf. I admire your work greatly though Ralph

You have big issues to treasure. I am not really having a pop at you here Liana Mr. Contradiction strikes again.

Yeah man it's getting a bit like 'Central Weekend' or 'The Oprah Winfrey show.'

maybe a bit more like Jerry Springer

It was a play on words. Come on Liana you must learn to own your anger. I can send you a some leaflets with some information concerning 'rage reasoning workshops'. They are endorsed by Victoria Principal. Just kidding Ralph

I refer the right honourable gentlemen to the answer i gave some time ago.... Ok has everyone noticed how nearly all the threads start off with the subject title and very quickly deteriorate into a few witty quips to each other and a slagging match here and there. Same old..........get it together you lot.... This thread was originally about ??? 50-50 / phone a friend/ask Ofar a. Who can out smart the other ABC taler with the wittiest comment. b. Lets try and turn the discussion board into a messaging service c. Stuart trying to open a few minds d. Ofar being a pratt as usual and comming in at the end with the wittiest and pointing out that......wait a min....ahhhh no...you lot have even got me doing it......you trapped me....its a conspiracy....im off to bed.

"extremely arrogant and selfish" mississippi? Lol. Well perhaps, though it was just a point that I think some people genuinely can't help being so loud. I'm sorry if I offended you in anyway. I think perhaps your response was a tad extreme however. As for the whole ethnic minority thing and how you don't see what it has to do with anything. That was actually my point. Perhaps I phrased it badly. But I think you took it completely out of Context. :0)

I don't think that's homophobic, I think if you did a poll of most hetrosexuals, who were liberal minded and open, and asked them to be honest, really honest, in principle they might have no problem at all. But gut wise they would be unable to handle it. It's not homophobic it's cultural conditioning. There was a tv stunt pulled to prove how people are not as `okay` with homosexuals being outwardly demonstrative as they thought they were. They had two guys kissing, really snogging in a public place, the overall response from nearly everyone who was interviewed was from uncomfortable to disgusted. You can't always believe what we're told about homosexuality being generally accepted now as `normal`, what ever that is. It's too easy to call it homophobia, it goes deeper.

i have a problem overhearing ANYONE having noisy sex in the next room ... it's only envy tho ...

all quiet when i logged off at 4.30 yesterday afternoon. i come back this morning, and look what's happened! my medallion of truth for mighty Funky. and a d.a.m.n.e.d good hiding for the rest of you!

But, but, but. I questioned one of my friends further and asked her what was the difference between overhearing hetro sex and homo sex and she said 'it's what they do to each other,' ie: anal sex. I trotted out the line about anal sex occuring MORE in hetro sex simply because there is more hetrosexual people in the world but she was not to be swayed. I think it is homophobia. They are DISGUSTED by what homosexual men do. Because it is DIFFERENT from what they themselves do. And DIFFERENT is SCARY. So they are AFRAID of queer sex. So they are AFRAID So they are homophobic Q.E., and in a very real sense, D.